Got all my guns ready.....

[NYlakesider]

I was a range officer and director of a rather large club in the Albany NY area for over 30 years (2,000 members) and I never asked to see a permit, nor could I think of any other ROs that did. We had a lot of LEOs as members also and I never saw papers produced.

Hey its a big state with lots of different clubs and commerical ranges anything is possible!

 

[S&W357]

Wow -i just go back and to see all the replies.
Think i want to go north ? NOT !!!
To answer all of you --YES ! My life is over........
I'm trying to do the right thing and get all my guns legal. That's one sport [guns] that i really love to do, is shoot. 2 nd. is boating and fishing. I must of read the N.Y. gun act --4 x in 24 hours and many times before that. Lots of the guys here--SW forum gave me great info.about what -were to look for. One guy in Long Island hook me up were i can have all my guns shipped at a great price --One FFL charge...--All Legal...... I want to thank everyone here at SW --Thank You !!!!!

 

[Hillbilly77]

Do the ranges check your handgun permit?

Ours doesn't.

I assume if I broke up an invasion of my home with a Model 67 I did not have a permit for I'd get tossed in the pokey on firearms charges?

Yup, you'd be in for a world of trouble.

Maybe you'd get to ride in the same squad car as the guy that broke into your house so you could finish him off on your way to jail.

 

[NYlakesider]

We can walk into our pistol office (no appointment needed) and immediately get an amendment. That means in our county we can buy a gun, add it to our license, and go pick it up on the same day.

I traded guns with a guy in a neighboring county, and we had to wait about 4 business days for his pistol office to shuffle their paperwork.

Years back they had a couple people down at Albany county clerks that were duely authorized as "pistol permit clerks"by the 2 county judges. Once the judge signed your CCWP the clerks could issue amendents, all worked well. I would fill out all the paper work, then find a parking space- go into the clerks office walk out with my signed papers (clerk took about 5 minuits) and get my gun. Then a very antigun judge stopped all that and insisted he must sign

i now live in another county and as stated 2-3 weeks is common to get paperwork. I have had a unrestricted permit since early 1970s and you have to play the game according to their rules.

 

[S&W357]

Maybe you'd get to ride in the same squad car as the guy that broke into your house so you could finish him off..
That's good. I need a good laff !!!!!

 

[Wingmaster]

I am very thankful that I live in Wyoming.

Wingmaster

 

[Hillbilly77]

The **** of it is that New York State is second to none for beautiful countryside, scenery, and natural resources.
We have all 4 seasons with few extremes, and we are an outdoorsman's paradise.

If not for the laws and political scene, NY would be utopia on earth.

 

[kozmic]

The **** of it is that New York State is second to none for beautiful countryside, scenery, and natural resources.
We have all 4 seasons with few extremes, and we are an outdoorsman's paradise.

If not for the laws and political scene, NY would be utopia on earth.

Well that and taxes!

 

[Beemerguy53]

The **** of it is that New York State is second to none for beautiful countryside, scenery, and natural resources.
We have all 4 seasons with few extremes, and we are an outdoorsman's paradise.

If not for the laws and political scene, NY would be utopia on earth.

You make a good point here. I love New York, and visit friends in New York City and Long Island regularly...but wild horses couldn't get me to move there.

 

[Wingmaster]

Hillbilly,
I have been to several states that are really beautiful. They are different, but all beautiful in their own way.

Their are a few of them that no matter how much good they have the bad out weighs it. Just the view from my position, but I have always had a hard time being told what to do. I really think I would end up in jail over something that is not illegal in my neck of the woods.

Their must be quite a few people that don't agree with me. Wyoming has the lowest population of any state in the union.

Wingmaster

 

[2152hq]

"...* It is perfectly legal to shoot your friend's gun at the range, etc. You can't borrow it over night, but you can shoot it, handle it, etc. if you have a pistol license. ..."

Watch out with this one.
It is not legal to shoot or even handle the registered handgun(s) of another permit holder.
A NYS Pistol Permit is not transferable to any other person and the handguns listed upon it are not legally transferable to any other person at any time for any reason (w/o proper Court or Judge approval).

That approval is usually in the form of a permit holder haveing a handgun(s) listed on their NYS permit, also listed on another persons NYS Permit at the same time.
That takes a notarized statement of mutual ownership and transfer in most Countys.
The County Clerks office or who ever takes care of the Pistol Permits in that juristiction then enters the gun or guns onto the other persons NYS Permit as well. It's not something you do yourself.

Husbands and wives often have such an arrangement,,,for better or worse sometimes. But is avoids the very situation of "Oh it's registered to me, but he was just shooting it a few times."
Plus in the event of a death, the second person still has ownership of the firearms.
Otherwise the registered handguns would go to Police Property for 1 yr max to either get sold to another permit holder, sold to or through an FFL, or they get destroyed as 'nuisance firearms after the 1 yrs time.

NYS Handgun Dealers License holders (separate license from an FFL) usually ask for a NYS P/P from prospective buyers before allowing them to handle any handgun for sale.
I see nothing in the law that states it is required, but I can't find anything either that says there is an exemption for a customer handling an (unregistered to them) handgun while shopping.

Very thin lines...invisable at times,,,and you can just bet who would not get the benefit of the doubt if a legal case arose out of it.

I worked in one large shop that for years allowed prospective customers to try out a handgun (live fire) before they bought it,,or not.
That practice was shut down by the NYSP and arrest threatened if continued.
The fact that the prospective customer was holding, shooting a handgun not registered to them and that they were outside of the establishment (sales floor) was enough to bring it down on them.
From that time forward, all prospective buyers had to show a valid NYS Permit or Permit application to handle any pistol.
(At that time the permit application still required you to buy a handgun to get your permit with. That requirement has now been dropped.)

Just be extra, extra careful in the Empire State.
They have no humor when dealing with these things.
Laws are confusing to be generous, and many times it's a case of let the court figure it out. That method leaves you on the hook one way or the other.

 

[Hillbilly77]

"...* It is perfectly legal to shoot your friend's gun at the range, etc. You can't borrow it over night, but you can shoot it, handle it, etc. if you have a pistol license. ..."

Watch out with this one.
It is not legal to shoot or even handle the registered handgun(s) of another permit holder.
A NYS Pistol Permit is not transferable to any other person and the handguns listed upon it are not legally transferable to any other person at any time for any reason (w/o proper Court or Judge approval).

That approval is usually in the form of a permit holder haveing a handgun(s) listed on their NYS permit, also listed on another persons NYS Permit at the same time.
That takes a notarized statement of mutual ownership and transfer in most Countys.
The County Clerks office or who ever takes care of the Pistol Permits in that juristiction then enters the gun or guns onto the other persons NYS Permit as well. It's not something you do yourself.

Husbands and wives often have such an arrangement,,,for better or worse sometimes. But is avoids the very situation of "Oh it's registered to me, but he was just shooting it a few times."
Plus in the event of a death, the second person still has ownership of the firearms.
Otherwise the registered handguns would go to Police Property for 1 yr max to either get sold to another permit holder, sold to or through an FFL, or they get destroyed as 'nuisance firearms after the 1 yrs time.

NYS Handgun Dealers License holders (separate license from an FFL) usually ask for a NYS P/P from prospective buyers before allowing them to handle any handgun for sale.
I see nothing in the law that states it is required, but I can't find anything either that says there is an exemption for a customer handling an (unregistered to them) handgun while shopping.

Very thin lines...invisable at times,,,and you can just bet who would not get the benefit of the doubt if a legal case arose out of it.

I worked in one large shop that for years allowed prospective customers to try out a handgun (live fire) before they bought it,,or not.
That practice was shut down by the NYSP and arrest threatened if continued.
The fact that the prospective customer was holding, shooting a handgun not registered to them and that they were outside of the establishment (sales floor) was enough to bring it down on them.
From that time forward, all prospective buyers had to show a valid NYS Permit or Permit application to handle any pistol.
(At that time the permit application still required you to buy a handgun to get your permit with. That requirement has now been dropped.)

Just be extra, extra careful in the Empire State.
They have no humor when dealing with these things.
Laws are confusing to be generous, and many times it's a case of let the court figure it out. That method leaves you on the hook one way or the other.

I was going by the information that the instructor gave at the mandatory safety course.
Also my county pistol clerk said that at a sanctioned shooting range, a person can legally handle and/or fire a handgun that is legally licensed to a permit holder.

These may be some of the gray areas of the law...
Funny how the more clarity they try to write into something, the more confusing it becomes.

You make a good point about not wanting to become a case study.

 

[kwselke]

I was going by the information that the instructor gave at the mandatory safety course.
Also my county pistol clerk said that at a sanctioned shooting range, a person can legally handle and/or fire a handgun that is legally licensed to a permit holder.

These may be some of the gray areas of the law...
Funny how the more clarity they try to write into something, the more confusing it becomes.

You make a good point about not wanting to become a case study.

It's really bad when the laws are so complex that the people trying to live in compliance of the laws cannot decide what is and is not legal.

It reminds me of the time when I had a discussion with an anti and I said, look at Mexico they have very strict gun laws there. This guy then said... I lived in Mexico for three years, they do not have gun violence there.

I said... What planet are you living on?

 

[BJoe]

Day-um! NYS just dropped off the map for me like Kalifornia.

Amen Zip. Years ago I visited both but NEVER again. I have no use for states that treat their law biding, tax paying citizens like prisoners, and their criminals, and illegals like first class flyers.

 

[OLDFED]

HR 218 & LEOSA

I don't see anything in the law that applies to anyone except civilian and military law enforcement officers.

 

[2152hq]

....
These may be some of the gray areas of the law...
Funny how the more clarity they try to write into something, the more confusing it becomes.

You make a good point about not wanting to become a case study.

Definetly gray areas,,very gray. It's very common to try someone elses pistol out at a range, handle one in a class, ect.
Then the 'letter of the law' is read and there is nothing there allowing it.
You ask yourself would common sense prevail or would the draconian thou shall not touch provision be enforced should an incident be observed.
Hard to figure out and no one really wants to be the one to find out.

One thing's for sure about NY State,,
If own a handgun and you're planning on going there, it's a lot like dying...'cause you can't take it with you.

 

[Hillbilly77]

NYS Penal Law, section 265.20 - Exemptions.

Sections 7a & 7b read as follows:

7-a. Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located
in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization
organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or
approved by the national rifle association for the purpose of loading
and firing the same, by a person duly licensed to possess a pistol or
revolver pursuant to section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter of a
pistol or revolver duly so licensed to another person who is present at
the time.
7-b. Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located
in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization
organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or
approved by the national rifle association for the purpose of loading
and firing the same, by a person who has applied for a license to
possess a pistol or revolver and pre-license possession of same pursuant
to section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter, who has not been previously
denied a license, been previously convicted of a felony or serious
offense, and who does not appear to be, or pose a threat to be, a danger
to himself or to others, and who has been approved for possession and
use herein in accordance with section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter;
provided however, that such possession shall be of a pistol or revolver
duly licensed to and shall be used under the supervision, guidance and
instruction of, a person specified in paragraph seven of this
subdivision and provided further that such possession and use be within
the jurisdiction of the licensing officer with whom the person has made
application therefor or within the jurisdiction of the superintendent of
state police in the case of a retired sworn member of the division of
state police who has made an application pursuant to section 400.01 of
this chapter.

If anybody cares to translate into English, by all means.
I read it to mean that a non-licensee can legally handle and/or fire a handgun at a range.

 

[ladder13]

 

[ladder13]

Wow -i just go back and to see all the replies.
Think i want to go north ? NOT !!!
To answer all of you --YES ! My life is over........
I'm trying to do the right thing and get all my guns legal. That's one sport [guns] that i really love to do, is shoot. 2 nd. is boating and fishing. I must of read the N.Y. gun act --4 x in 24 hours and many times before that. Lots of the guys here--SW forum gave me great info.about what -were to look for. One guy in Long Island hook me up were i can have all my guns shipped at a great price --One FFL charge...--All Legal...... I want to thank everyone here at SW --Thank You !!!!!

What would Mikey do? Seriously now. I'd buy a nice boat and commute between Delaware and the Hamptons.
I have a friend who lives in DE, he's trapped like a rat, NJ to the north, MD to the south. His only escape is thru PA, or via the Atlantic.

 

[Hillbilly77]

I have a friend who lives in DE, he's trapped like a rat, NJ to the north, MD to the south. His only escape is thru PA, or via the Atlantic.

At this point, an escape to PA doesn't sound bad at all!