StrawHat
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You can discharge a firearm anywhere in Vermont? No restrictions? I did not know that!
Kevin
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You can discharge a firearm anywhere in Vermont? No restrictions? I did not know that!
Kevin
Yep, even in schools, hospitals, courthouses, post offices and other govt buildings.
Just don't load more than 10 in a rifle, or 15 in a pistol.
Grandfathered mags excluded
Just don't load more than 10 in a rifle, or 15 in a pistol.
Grandfathered mags excluded
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LOL. It is 5 miles to the range here. Membership is $35 rifle range up to 600 yds. 3 pistol bays 22 bays cowboy action, skeet and trap. Most towns you can be shooting in a couple miles because first of all 1/3 the state is public. Plus, I do not have a clue where you came up with e preemptive law thing because no city or county can have a law stricter than state law. True you can't fire a gun in most of them without reason. On our "waste land" you can shoot up to 3 elk, numerous deer, 2 antelope per year, plus, moose a huge variety of birds, trap, fish blue ribbon trout streams. Size does mater. lol 500 miles in one direction whooo hoo, I can go that far in any direction with no permit except for 300+ miles north when I hit the Canadian border. Actually I could go well over 1,000 miles south and make it all the way to the Mexican border carrying concealed with no permit. Montana, Idaho or Wyoming to Utah, Arizona. If I went into New Mexico without my permit I could do it by simply open carrying,
Once again I DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO CARRY. I chose to have one for my convenience. People in this state could open carry with no permit for ever and many of them did.I can see a gun buy it and be out the door with it in the time it takes me to fill out the 4473. Plus, I hardly object to giving $6.25 a year to the DARE program. I am glad you love Vermont. I am sure for you it is a great place. I am glad you want to stay there.
I will continue to live in a state with only 7.5 people per sq mile instead off one with 67. I could not stand it being so crowded.Another question why do you put up with some stupid law that prohibits using a semi auto that holds more than 6 rounds while hunting. A 16 day deer season is hilarious. I can hunt elk here from the end of October till Feb using shoulder seasons and the regular big game season is 6 weeks. Why do you need a permit to shoot rabbits, coyotes fox etc? That is funny right there. Why does Vermont take away your right to carry a loaded rifle in your vehicle when your hunting? What about the 2nd there? How come you can't hunt with a suppressor? Can you hunt deer with a 22lr? Why do you have to show your dead deer to a warden instead of just taking it home and eating it? How horribly manipulative and restrictive.
Here a game warden would even think about asking to see if my rifle was loaded. None of his business if I am practicing my 2nd amendment right. I can legally shoot an elk with a 22, use a silencer, carry a loaded rifle in my truck any time, anywhere. It is an extension of my home as is my hunting camp and a leo of any kind needs a warrant to search it. Seeing a gun it it is hardly probable cause here. LOL Even a semi auto with a 30 round mag during hunting season while out hunting. None of his business what is in my truck unless he gets a warrant and if went to a judge and told him it was because he thought my rifle was a semi auto with a loaded 30 round mag in it, the judge would just laugh and say "so what". There is no law against that. But then I do live in a FREE STATE
Can you park your car or truck in a school parking lot with a gun in it? Any Montanan who can legally possess a gun can in Montana. Only place I can not carry is inside the actual school buildings. Can you concealed carry in your courthouse like I can? How about state buildings? Hospital? Why not?? Here, a no guns allowed sign don't mean squat unless the owner tells you to leave. How about in Vermont? No? Why? LOL
I can sell my guns to a private citizen with no background check. I have bought them at garage sales, street fairs, out of the paper and never showed any ID. Can you do that in "Free" Vermont. Why not?? How come you can no longer buy and sell large capacity magazines in your ""Free state"
With my permit I cam carry in 35 of the 50 states. Being from Vermont with no permits you can only carry in the 22 states that don't require permits.
Vermont is a free state OK sure Explain to me all the advantages again. I really don't get it. LMAO
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Bucher33
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Same here in Oklahoma. But they are nice when traveling out of state.
otis24
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South Dakota: go to Sheriff's office, instant background check. Pay $10/5 yrs ($2 per year). Immediately receive paper copy. Permanent copy sent within 10 days. Of course we have Constitutional Carry, so no permit is needed. I get one every year just because it makes carrying across state lines less of a hassle!
Oh my...carrying a handgun is a privilege in Montana, their state constitution is quite clear on this point!
"The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."
Wow, a state constitution that states concealed guns are not a right, towns that pass laws forbidding the use of guns...what a backwater of a state!!! No wonder they can tell permit holders what charity to support. Should never have slaughtered all those natives to claim it.
"The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."
Wow, a state constitution that states concealed guns are not a right, towns that pass laws forbidding the use of guns...what a backwater of a state!!! No wonder they can tell permit holders what charity to support. Should never have slaughtered all those natives to claim it.
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If you read our statutes you will see that does NOT apply to anyone who is legally allowed to own a gun by federal law can carry concealed without a permit. Sub (3)
45-8-316. Carrying concealed firearms -- exemption. (1) A person who carries or bears concealed upon the individual's person a firearm shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $500 or by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not exceeding 6 months, or both.
(2) A person who has previously been convicted of an offense, committed on a different occasion than the offense under this section, in this state or any other jurisdiction for which a sentence to a term of imprisonment in excess of 1 year could have been imposed and who carries or bears concealed upon the individual's person a firearm shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $1,000 or be imprisoned in the state prison for a period not exceeding 5 years, or both.
(3) This section does not apply to a person eligible to possess a firearm under state or federal law.
Does Vermont allow those who are prohibited persons to carry concealed? I thought not. LOL
Does Vermont have a law like this to deal with the Federal school gun free zone nonsense? Why not?
45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
Here a person with no permit can carry a concealed weapon on school property or into the court house (just not an actual court room). Even one that has a magazine over 15 rounds. They can have a loaded semi auto rifle in their car or truck with a magazine of any capacity. They can buy and sell their guns to each other with no involvement. Your RESTRICTIVE state on the other hand, does not allow private sales, forbids purchasing magazines over 10 rounds for rifles and 15 for hand guns, does not allow hunting with magazines over 6 round or using a suppressor, you can't legally park in a school parking lot with a gun. The one that gets me that to hunt in your state you must surrender your 2nd amendment right to have a loaded rifle in your vehicle. Defend your states violation of your rights on that.
You go on about where my money gets donated if I get a permit when your lame state doesn't even give you the option of a permit so you don't need to do a background check or can travel carrying in states that require one. LOL That is a really sorry state. You don't need a permit in your over crowded state that isn't even the size of 2 countries here, who hoo, good for you. You can't ever go in several of the other states right beside you and legally carry. Sad really. We got several wilderness areas that we are free to hunt, fish, trap and camp in that are bigger than your whole dinky state. Better stay where you are, you would probably get lost here.
Just how can you think your state is so free if it won't allow you ALL those rights protected under the 2nd
45-8-316. Carrying concealed firearms -- exemption. (1) A person who carries or bears concealed upon the individual's person a firearm shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $500 or by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not exceeding 6 months, or both.
(2) A person who has previously been convicted of an offense, committed on a different occasion than the offense under this section, in this state or any other jurisdiction for which a sentence to a term of imprisonment in excess of 1 year could have been imposed and who carries or bears concealed upon the individual's person a firearm shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $1,000 or be imprisoned in the state prison for a period not exceeding 5 years, or both.
(3) This section does not apply to a person eligible to possess a firearm under state or federal law.
Does Vermont allow those who are prohibited persons to carry concealed? I thought not. LOL
Does Vermont have a law like this to deal with the Federal school gun free zone nonsense? Why not?
45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
Here a person with no permit can carry a concealed weapon on school property or into the court house (just not an actual court room). Even one that has a magazine over 15 rounds. They can have a loaded semi auto rifle in their car or truck with a magazine of any capacity. They can buy and sell their guns to each other with no involvement. Your RESTRICTIVE state on the other hand, does not allow private sales, forbids purchasing magazines over 10 rounds for rifles and 15 for hand guns, does not allow hunting with magazines over 6 round or using a suppressor, you can't legally park in a school parking lot with a gun. The one that gets me that to hunt in your state you must surrender your 2nd amendment right to have a loaded rifle in your vehicle. Defend your states violation of your rights on that.
You go on about where my money gets donated if I get a permit when your lame state doesn't even give you the option of a permit so you don't need to do a background check or can travel carrying in states that require one. LOL That is a really sorry state. You don't need a permit in your over crowded state that isn't even the size of 2 countries here, who hoo, good for you. You can't ever go in several of the other states right beside you and legally carry. Sad really. We got several wilderness areas that we are free to hunt, fish, trap and camp in that are bigger than your whole dinky state. Better stay where you are, you would probably get lost here.
Just how can you think your state is so free if it won't allow you ALL those rights protected under the 2nd
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Hilarious...concealed weapons are explicitly NOT PROTECTED by your state constitution, no matter what the statutes you list say. Your just one mass migration from a couple states west of you from having CA gun laws.
OP
And your surrounded by antis and think your safe LOL
You still have not explain how your constitution does not protect your right to carry a loaded rifle in your vehicle. Must actually be pretty weak to allow that violation of your right to be armed. That is so lame
You still have not explain how your constitution does not protect your right to carry a loaded rifle in your vehicle. Must actually be pretty weak to allow that violation of your right to be armed. That is so lame
OP
So says the guy from the state that already prohibits private sales, high capacity magazines and other California rules and is surrounded by antis and thinks he is safe because off his constitution. LOL All your sstate constitutions says is That "the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State"-- Not one bit more than the US second amendment. I am not impressed.
You still have not explained how your wonderful constitution does not protect your right to carry a loaded rifle in your vehicle. Must actually be pretty weak to allow that violation of your right to be armed. That is so lame. If they can prohibit that they certainly can and will go farther. I see nowhere in your state constitution that specifically protects your right to conceal carry. If it don't stop the state from telling you that you can not carry a loaded rifle in your own car which should be considered your private domain like it is in this state, what makes you think it won't tell you you can't carry a loaded gun on your person? It has already shown you right there that it can restrict your gun rights. Plus telling you that you can't have large magazines or even buy and sell without their blessing. Hilarious that you believe it can't or won't happen in vermont.
I can sum up my option of your state and just how pro gun it really is with just one name. Bernie.
It is that sad
I started this thread about how quick and easy I could get a permit that I don't really need. You began attacking it and never stopped yet your precious constitution allows some lame laws prohibiting many things my state allows.
I get your proud to be from vermont, GOOD FOR YOU If you like it STAY there. But don't knock my state that has far more actual freedoms than yours.
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Ya got me...we have a Fish & Wildlife reg that says long guns have to be unloaded in a vehicle...big deal. But hey, if your OK with CC permits, being told what charity to support in exchange for getting one, a state constitution that explicitly calls out concealed guns as not being protected, and local municipalities being allowed to dream up their own gun laws...then fine. And if I recall, you stated in the past its illegal for you to discharge a gun in the town you live in. FREE STATE!!! HA HA HA!!! And now I think I'll go do a little target shooting in my back yard, with my constitutionally protected concealed gun, in a state where the town can't control it. AKA...A Free State!!!
Uh Oh, their coming for your weak constitutional gun rights, they even have websites dedicated to transplants from CA!!!
https://californiamoversusa.com/resources/moving-to-montana/
https://californiamoversusa.com/resources/moving-to-montana/
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I will use small words so you can understand. You do not need a permit to carry concealed in Montana. Towns and cities are prohibited from having any gun laws more strict than state law.
45-8-351. Restriction on local government regulation of firearms. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a county, city, town, consolidated local government, or other local government unit may not prohibit, register, tax, license, or regulate the purchase, sale or other transfer (including delay in purchase, sale, or other transfer), ownership, possession, transportation, use, or unconcealed carrying of any weapon, including a rifle, shotgun, handgun, or concealed handgun.
(2) (a) For public safety purposes, a city or town may regulate the discharge of rifles, shotguns, and handguns. A county, city, town, consolidated local government, or other local government unit has power to prevent and suppress the carrying of unpermitted concealed weapons or the carrying of unconcealed weapons to a publicly owned and occupied building under its jurisdiction. (Note that they can only restrict publicly owned buildings. Not parks, streets or court yards. Only inside occupied buildings)
(b) Nothing contained in this section allows any government to prohibit the legitimate display of firearms at shows or other public occasions by collectors and others or to prohibit the legitimate transportation of firearms through any jurisdiction, whether in airports or otherwise.
Montana is less apt to be over run by Californians than Vermont is by New Yorkers, and people from Mass and Conn. The average time a Californian lives here is less than 4 years anyway. Plus, most of them are people running from the madness. LOL Plus most of the transplants end up in just 6 counties, the other 50 are very rural that means 100 rural county senators to 12 urban. Who do you think will win.
You may think the law prohibiting loaded rifles is no big deal, but it is actual proof your constitution does not protect your gun rights, and if your state can make it illegal to have a loaded guns in your own car they can most certainly decide to make it illegal to have loaded guns in town. I notice they already have safe zones where you can't shoot. What makes you think they can't and won't make those bigger, or decide to include towns in those zones, there Einstein. Your states very own laws show that they can and do regulate how you carry and where you can shoot.
Plus, how come your state won't let you shoot things like coyotes, fox rabbits etc from airplanes and helicopters. We don't need no license or permit and can do it all year long. We can also can and have coyote hunting contest unlike the underprivileged people of your state. I can also hunt vermin like rabbits fox coons, fox etc at night with a spot light on private property with the owners permission. Can you. No why not? Besides if a game warden or sheriff wanted to see what someone is shooting at during the night on private property here they need to go get a warrant unless the land owner wants to allow them on their place.
I also notice your towns have the power (7) To regulate the manufacture and keeping of gun-powder, ashes, and all combustibles and dangerous materials.
Ours do not. What if yours decides that 10 grains of 2400 is to much LOL
PS If you come on my property and start to commit a felony or threaten me I can legally fire a gun and shoot you deader than a door nail and the sheriff would only say nice shooting. I need to have a valid reason to shoot in the city limits is all. If I have legal range I can also shoot in town in fact we shoot 22s at the civic center in the middle of town.
PS There is a loaded rifle in my truck right now. I can and have drove around with a 2 round mag in my mini 14 and a 30 in my AR and if I want more 30 round mags. I am FREE to go down to any of the local stores and buy all I want anytime I want. But then my state does not restrict my freedoms like yours.
I am sure vermont is a nice state and seeing it would make for a very nice 2 hour Sunday drive
Boy, I do wish I was free to endanger my next door neighbors by shooting my 338 win mag in the city limits. Be so much more convenient than the 10 min drive to use a nice adjustable seat bench the nice covered rifle range that goes out to 600 yards
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Free it is. I just renewed mine for the 6th time. They run 4 years. This change came about with the open carry law being passed.
I pay $75 for 5 years. Soon to be cheaper than a grilled cheese and water.
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