Govt is going after the low hanging fruit-this time ghost guns

[Duckford]

If you're not going to prosecute the criminals who use guns in crimes, who cares what kind of gun it is.

Boo Boo is a street thug. He has several felonies and cannot legally own weapons, and has other restrictions on his parole and probation. Boo Boo takes a gun and shoots at a rival for a very minor disagreement, runs form the police, and violently resists arrest before he is captured and put on trial.

Boo Boo faces 49 charges from the state. His lawyer gets it plead down to two charges, and the sentences of both charges will be served concurrently.

When Boo Boo gets out of jail early because of prison crowding, and gets another gun and goes on another violent spree, we are told that the real problem is that we don't have enough gun laws or criminal laws. They tell us we need more restrictions and laws so that when Boo Boo gets into trouble they can throw 56 charges against him, so his lawyer can get them down to two charges with the sentence served concurrently this time.

We are told there aren't enough laws, when there are already too many laws. We are told there is a lack of leverage against criminals when the current leverage is squandered. We put men in prison who should be executed, and then let them out early.

But, yes, more laws.

 

[biku324]

So why not decriminalization of removing serial numbers from firearms?

Guns built to be untraceable are made that way so no one can trace them. Does that sound legit?

 

[PHS327]

Almost all of my guns are registered. The Smith and Wesson guns are registered with Smith and Wesson and my Ruger guns are registered with Ruger. I figure, that way, if there's a recall I would get notified. Did I do something wrong?

 

[pmosley]

Only my dogs are registered......

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[biku324]

Almost all of my guns are registered. The Smith and Wesson guns are registered with Smith and Wesson and my Ruger guns are registered with Ruger. I figure, that way, if there's a recall I would get notified. Did I do something wrong?

Yes. Now you and your family are vulnerable to 'them' and 'they.' I hope you're satisfied. Harrumph.

 

[Rustyt1953]

While this video is 8 years old there are antis who still think this way.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0[/ame]

 

[biku324]

And two men in line at breakfast this morning believe in space aliens. There are outliers everywhere. Especially elected officials.

 

[PALADIN85020]

Most .22 rifles made through the mid-1960s had no serial numbers. No point in having them change hands through gun dealers. They are quite untraceable and there are millions out there.

Most U.S. military firearms have changed hands so many times that tracing the serial numbers will usually only result in a dead end.

Nothing like drumming up hysteria and inventing "solutions" that don't work...

John

 

[biku324]

Then I guess the many firearms traced over the last 53 years had no effect on convictions? You'll need to convince people who've never worked crimes against persons that their experiences were fantasies. And that NIBIN really has done nothing.

Check and see how many old 22 rifles and milsurp firearms are used in crimes.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Never, in the history of man, has gun registration NOT led to eventual confiscation.

 

[biku324]

Where's proof of that?

My state does not have registration of handguns or longguns.

 

[dockmurgw]

Seems to be some thread drift going on here...the topic is guns without serial numbers, sold as individual components, not gun registration. I have no doubt that serial numbers are important tools in investigating and prosecuting crime...none. But what gets me about this so called "Ghost Gun" charade, is that it's being sold as a solution to crime...sold by the same idiots that won't admit that their judicial reforms are what's really to blame. Behind every one of these heinous crimes committed by an animal with zero redeeming qualities, there is a court and a judge that have released them and failed to prosecute crimes they have already committed. These animals don't care what they use to commit a crime, and nothing short of a 22 round behind the ear will stop them...an idiotic ghost gun rule certainly won't stop anything.

 

[Jon651]

None of mine are registered.

Actually, ALL of you guns are registered whether you realize it or not. If they were produced at a licensed gun manufactory then they were serialized and entered into the company's records per federal law. Now while the state and feds may not officially "register" your purchase of a legal firearm at the time you buy it, your gun is most certainly on a list held somewhere where its movements through the pre-purchase supply chain can be traced.

 

[Gamecock]

Then I guess the many firearms traced over the last 53 years had no effect on convictions? You'll need to convince people who've never worked crimes against persons that their experiences were fantasies. And that NIBIN really has done nothing.

[citation needed]

Internet search for crimes solved by gun tracing brings up sundry.

I cannot find ONE crime solved by gun trace. Double-ought zero.

Did see stories where local cops don't even request gun traces, because they never lead to anything productive.

 

[biku324]

Well, oddly, the internet doesn't work crimes against persons.

 

[johngalt]

Actually, ALL of you guns are registered whether you realize it or not. If they were produced at a licensed gun manufactory then they were serialized and entered into the company's records per federal law. Now while the state and feds may not officially "register" your purchase of a legal firearm at the time you buy it, your gun is most certainly on a list held somewhere where its movements through the pre-purchase supply chain can be traced.

You assume (incorrectly) that all my guns were manufactured and purchased after 1968.

Many guns change hands via private sale and become untraceable.

FFLs are only required to keep the 4473s for 20 years. I don't know how many actually dispose of the older ones, but I know of at least 1.

 

[StakeOut]

Your president is about to speak in the rose garden about new gun registration.

You can watch on fox news

 

[ladder13]

It's for the children.

 

[dockmurgw]

Your president is about to speak in the rose garden about new gun registration.

You can watch on fox news

Given a choice between listening to that and a root canal without Novocain, I'll take the root canal...less painful to endure.

 

[bulletslap]

If it's not registered, it doesn't belong on the streets. Period.

I somehow missed that clause in the US or Texas Constitution.

Now if we could apply that registration to criminals and illegal aliens I would be open for compromise.

 

[StakeOut]

undocumented people vs undocumented firearms....which poses the greater danger to our country?

 

[ladder13]

Same ol'

UBC
AWB
HICAP MAGS
SUE GUN MANUFACTURERS

Better get that done before Jan 1

 

[LCC]

,WE DON'T REGESTER GUNS HERE, ??

..that would be register, not regester..

The ATF sales form is the registration. Here is the Florida law straight from the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement:

Must be 21 years of age. Rifles and shotguns may be purchased by a person who is at least 18 when that person is a law enforcement officer or correctional officer as defined in F.S. 943.10 or service member as defined in F.S. 250.01.
Must be a Florida resident to purchase a handgun. Long guns may be purchased by persons who are residents of other states so long as the sale complies with applicable laws in the purchaser's state of residence.
Legal permanent resident aliens who are Florida residents may purchase a firearm and must provide a valid alien registration number. Non-resident aliens visiting Florida must present a border crossing number (I-94) and a valid exception document .
Florida does not require a permit to purchase a firearm nor is there a permit that exempts any person from the background check requirement.
There is a waiting period of three days, excluding weekends and state holidays, between purchase and delivery of all firearms. Individual counties and cities have the authority to enact local ordinances extending the waiting period to as much as five days. Please consult local ordinances for more detailed information.
There is no limit to the number of firearms that may be transferred in a single transaction. The transaction is considered complete once the dealer has completed and signed the ATF Form 4473. An additional transfer (whether minutes later, the next day, or the next month) requires an additional background check.

 

[LCC]

Illegal immigrants (absolutely opposed to them) and gun registration are two different issues. And all for gun registration, have yet to personally meet a LEO who was not in favor of gun registration.
Here in the US, we can always vote with our feet. Don't like the laws of the state you live in, move to one where you do. That's freedom.

 

[zzclancy]

Why?

If it's not registered, it doesn't belong on the streets. Period.

Why?

Please be specific.

 

[Rustyt1953]

As to SN/registration;

As of 2019; (if there is a more current list I haven't found it yet)

Alaska -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Arizona -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Arkansas -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
California -- All .50 caliber rifles and firearms defined by California law as assault weapons must be registered.
Colorado -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Connecticut -- All firearms defined by Connecticut law as assault weapons and all magazines defined by Connecticut law as high capacity magazines must be registered.
Delaware -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
District of Columbia -- All firearms must be registered.
Florida -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Georgia -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Hawaii -- All firearms must be registered.
Idaho -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Illinois -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Indiana State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Iowa -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Kansas -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Kentucky -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Louisiana -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Maine -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Maryland -- Any firearm defined in Maryland law as an assault pistol must be registered.
Massachusetts -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Michigan Pistol purchases must be accompanied by a local license forwarded to the state's pistol entry database.
Minnesota -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Mississippi State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Missouri -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Montana -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Nebraska -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Nevada -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
New Hampshire -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
New Jersey -- Any weapons defined by New Jersey law as assault weapons must be registered.
New Mexico -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
New York -- All handguns and firearms defined by New York law as assault weapons must be registered.
North Carolina -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
North Dakota -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Ohio -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Oklahoma -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Oregon -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Pennsylvania -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Rhode Island -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
South Carolina -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
South Dakota -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Tennessee -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Texas -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Utah -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Vermont -- Firearms registries are prohibited.
Virginia -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Washington -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
West Virginia -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Wisconsin -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.
Wyoming -- State laws neither require nor prohibit firearms registries.

 

[fordson]

And the benefits to the community (nation, state, county, city, town…..) of firearm "registration" are……….?
Further, how does "registration " prevent crime (or even solve a crime if it's nor recovered at the scene)?
I apparently need the education so I would appreciate the input. Thanks.

 

[drumminor2nd]

It displays ignorance of the hobbyist nature of 80% guns. They are highly UNLIKELY to be used in crimes.

Tell that to the NYPD -- better than one in 10 guns they've picked up on the street this year at crime scenes are finished Polymer80s or other kit guns -- and not just at "they had a gun" scenes, but murder scenes.

They're very popular with the "I can't pass a background check" meth and crack crowds who use their burner phones and Visa gift cards from traded food stamps to order them.

 

[johngalt]

I wonder how many crimes were prevented by a serial number...

 

[luvsmiths]

Illegal immigrants (absolutely opposed to them) and gun registration are two different issues. And all for gun registration, have yet to personally meet a LEO who was not in favor of gun registration.
Here in the US, we can always vote with our feet. Don't like the laws of the state you live in, move to one where you do. That's freedom.

Yeah, Until everyone thinks like you, and then no State is free.