Grass or Trees?

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I had pines cut off about 30 acres in mid 2015. My intention has been to replant as soon as possible. I applied for a cost-share program with Natural Resources Conservation Service. I was approved for about $10,000 to apply herbicide, burn, and replant the 30 acres with Longleaf pine seedlings. I had the herbicide applied, and had the firebreaks plowed. Haven't been able to burn because of the drought and burn bans. Now, with the good rains of the last week (over four inches) I can burn and proceed with planting.

I'm not sure I want to.

Here's the deal. First, NRCS is requiring me to plant Longleaf, I would rather plant another variety. I love Longleaf, but it does better on non-fertile, deep sandy soil. Mine is good soil. Second, Longleaf is very slow growing. It would probably be 20 years before a thinning is required, which may or may not be income producing. Next, partly for aesthetic reasons, I would like to put it in pasture and put some cows on it.

My wife and I profited greatly from the pines her father planted on the property in the early 80s. They were Loblolly, a quicker growing variety. We thinned twice, realizing some nice income both times, and clear cut in 2015, getting a good price for saw logs and pulp. That was a different set of circumstances, or, I might just be rationalizing.

We want to do what is best economically for our just-married daughter.

I put a quality perimeter fence around the whole farm (about 70 acres) about four years ago, so that expense is taken care of. I piped water to the farthest reaches of the place, so that is covered. I own a good paid-for 55 hp John Deere tractor, with most equipment I would need. I already bought a dozen Angus cross bred cows, heavy with calves, to put on about 20 acres I already have in pasture. My daughter's FIL has a big ranch in South-Central Florida, and he might kick in a few head of Brangus so we can present the "chullen" with a producing herd, at no expense to them.:D

I can get the 30 acres in good shape within 24-36 months, with minimum expense. I can cross-fence it a couple of times, and get hybrid Bermuda Grass planted on it. My brother and I own another farm that has hybrid grass, and I can get clippings. I have a good man who takes care of my equipment working part time. I will be 68 in a few days, but I am in apparent good health. I hope to be around a few more years to manage things, but I realize that anything can happen at my age.

I've got it all figured out.;)

If after I'm gone they no longer wanted to fool with the cows, they could easily lease good fenced pasture and realize some yearly income. They live about 70 miles away, but that isn't necessarily a deal-breaker with cows. Good fences, good grass, and a reliable caretaker make absentee ownership viable.

My wife, of course, wants to plant the pines.
The "chullen" seem amenable to the pasture plan.
 
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If raising beef is the idea, you can be more self-sustaining with more pasture or hayfield. Trees are well and good, but the ability to feed the cows seems like a better idea.
 
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As Pierre Wibaux, an early Montana cattle baron said, "A cow will have a calf". Cattle prices are down, but should not stay that way.

Haven't got a clue about trees.
 
If there is a way to plant loblolly that is what I would do. Grass and cows take a lot of attention and trees do not. In the long term trees I think will do better.
 
Is it profitable enough to invest 5-10 years into beefs and then revisit planting trees when a faster maturing type might be an option?
 
Up sides listed,

Aesthetics, Some giant hardwoods for shade and some cows grazing around might be quite beautiful.

The chullen like the pasture idea. That's important but you/they have to look at the long term. Are they gonna want to take over the family farm in So Ga or So Central Fla?

You have water supplied across the property, Enough said.

Fresh beef, I've seen your post and know that you guys know how to BBQ and have a good time. Great family.

Down sides listed,

You're not thrilled with the trees that the powers that be want you to plant. Yep, I'd be mad too but they got a point. I'm just not sure what it is as I don't study So Ga tree farming and such.

Something to think about,

Down here everybody that has an acre or two plants landscape palms. Some grow over a foot a year some grow way slower. It's obvious that the slower one will cost more.

Are you limited to those two choices? Pasture or Pines?
 
Well you could plant the longleaf pine and after your 10 years is up you could have the straw raked until your trees mature enough for a thinning or clear cut.
 
Well, I am 68 also and you must enjoy jumping on that tractor in the cold rain at 34 degrees in January and heading out to deliver hay to all that beef a lot more that I do at 68. I did that for many years and now that the cows are all gone and the place is rented to the neighbor for hay production, I have a lot more time to drink coffee and look out the window on those cold rain days in January and then wander back to the reloading room to brew up a few more loads for the days when the sun shines. I do not miss those days at my age. Go plant some trees and leave a shooting lane in the middle for your new covered shooting shed.
 
LittleCooner makes a good point.

At least there's a market for pine in your area. The only place that'd take mine insisted I have them limbed and cut into 11' logs which I did. He sent logging trucks to pick them up but by the time he subtracted his truck expenses I think I got a check for $360 and that was for over 100, 80' white pines. I have another 50-60 to take down come Spring. I'd be happy to find someone that would cut and take them for free.
 
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