Great News

[jimbo728]

The US House of Representatives has said NO to the SSDI gun ban that was slipped into practice in the last weeks of the former administration.
Now it`s off to the US Senate.
This is certainly great news for keeping us from getting "nixed due to disability" by a bureaucrat.
It was about much more than having a fiduciary. It fact it was a very broad spectrum of disabled people targeted for the purpose of increasing the number of denials without due process.
Jim

 

[bigwheelzip]

Hadn't heard about it before. Looked it up and found the people effected were those people completely disabled with mental illness so severe they can't hold any kind of job or make any legal decisions about their own affairs.

 

[CoMF]

"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Before we say "Oh, these are people we wouldn't want to have access to firearms anyway.", let that previous excerpt from the Constitution sink in for a moment...

Who do we want adjudiciating our natural born rights? A judge and, in some cases, jury, or a bureaucrat doing the same through executive fiat?

Choose wisely, for we may be weighed by those same standards someday.

 

[jimbo728]

It was very inclusive to more than the cover story, as the VA is.
It was frightening to me that something disabling from past history when filing to SSDI could be used to nix you without regard to recovery.
No Dr. no Judge, no hearing and a very slim and expensive chance of reversal to restore gun rights.
Jim

 

[jag312]

Some politicians have said that reversing the gun ban will cause an increase of "gun violence". We have to be careful of these marauding gangs of senior citizens terrorizing our neighborhoods.

 

[jimbo728]

The US Senate is debating the SSDI Gun Ban today. CSPAN2 is covering live.
Jim

 

[johngalt]

I'm not sure what kind of threat they think is posed by a disabled person.

 

[jimbo728]

The Senate will be voting on this tomorrow, 2-15-17.
Jim

 

[jimbo728]

Update!
The US Senate has just voted down the SSDI gun ban.
57 to 43.
Jim

 

[shamrocker]

Very Good, Now only a few more thousand gun laws that need to be overturned.

 

[franzas]

Very Good, Now only a few more thousand gun laws that need to be overturned.

Just have an omnibus gun bill to overturn them all at once

 

[GaryS]

That may be how it was being presented, but that's not how it was going to be implemented.

For example, if a person needed help deciphering the myriad Medicare regulations and rules and designated an adult child as their representative, that would be sufficient to make them a prohibited person. If a person needed help with financial affairs, that would be enough.

There are way to many laws posing as regulations as it. We definitely don't need any more.

Hadn't heard about it before. Looked it up and found the people effected were those people completely disabled with mental illness so severe they can't hold any kind of job or make any legal decisions about their own affairs.

 

[jimbo728]

According to Sen Grassley, R Iowa, as he read from the SSDI guidelines,
a person with an eating disorder, sleep disorder or restlessness would make the nix list.
We lucked out that swift action and exposure of a bad regulation put a stop to this threat to so many good people excersizing their fundamental rights.
All the antis declared that it was just aimed at severe mental illness,
a provision that already exists under GCA `68.
Jim

 

[rwsmith]

This was another law....

This was another law that could be abused in a way as to control guns. I would think that 'due process' would be a court order that's specific to a case, not a blanket that covers anybody with depression, on medication etc.

As usual, the laws that are already on the books are more than adequate, IF THEY ARE ENFORCED and the courts back them up. Adding laws if worse than useless.

 

[lrrifleman]

As I understood the bill, I viewed it as anyone that had their funds directed to a representative payee would be denied the right to own.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Read this if you want to know what was passed in December 2016 and what is being thrown out now!

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf


Here is an example:

§ 421.155 Burden of proof in requests for
relief.
An applicant who requests relief
under § 421.150 must prove that he or
she is not likely to act in a manner
dangerous to public safety and that
granting relief from the prohibitions
imposed by 18 U.S.C. 922(d)(4) and
(g)(4) will not be contrary to the public
interest.

In English: "If we take away your 2A rights, to get them back YOU must prove you are not likely to be a danger to the public."

 

[WCCPHD]

The local news, or so called news, outlets have been posting stories about this all day with some of the most disingenuous headlines I think I have ever seen. The make it seem as if the US Senate has passed a bill requiring that the government go into the mental hospitals and arm the criminally insane. Bloomberg has been very busy today.

One example:

"Congress blocks rule barring mentally impaired from guns"

 

[jimbo728]

The local news, or so called news, outlets have been posting stories about this all day with some of the most disingenuous headlines I think I have ever seen. The make it seem as if the US Senate has passed a bill requiring that the government go into the mental hospitals and arm the criminally insane. Bloomberg has been very busy today.

One example:

"Congress blocks rule barring mentally impaired from guns"

Very troubling that the media distorts this issue. Even more troubling that the public buys into it.
Jim

 

[Diablo982]

Very troubling that the media distorts this issue. Even more troubling that the public buys into it.
Jim

Has anyone actually read the list of prohibited persons? They've been diagnosed with mental illnesses so severe, they can't hold a job AND manage their own affairs. Here's the diagnosis categories: Organic Mental Disorders, Schizophrenic, Paranoid and Other Psychotic Disorders, Affective Disorders, Intellectual Disability, Anxiety-Related Disorders, Somatoform Disorders, Personality Disorders and Severe Autism.

SAA didn't randomly select senior citizens to exploit. They followed existing law in 18 USC 922. (Questions asked on the 4473.) Look through the B.S. and think about what garners support for the anti-gunners. The only time the gun control movement gets traction is right after the crazy person mass shootings. Anyone remember the Sandy Hook fall out? I bet the residents of NY and Connecticut do. Why did Colorado pass a magazine ban? Severe mentally ill people are the real threat to gun rights. Oh, and if you are a severe paranoid schizophrenic and want to buy a gun? Stop getting your crazy check from SSA and you are good to go. 2nd Amendment is a right, government checks are not.

 

[adwjc]

The local news, or so called news, outlets have been posting stories about this all day with some of the most disingenuous headlines I think I have ever seen. The make it seem as if the US Senate has passed a bill requiring that the government go into the mental hospitals and arm the criminally insane. Bloomberg has been very busy today.

One example:

"Congress blocks rule barring mentally impaired from guns"

You must be reading that "fake news."