Gritty Trigger Syndrome: Is it worth the cost?

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Good day all.
I am new to the S&W forum and new to the world of semi-auto weapons but I am convinced that this forum is the best I have been on and so I would like to thank you all for making it such a comfortable and inviting place for a greenhorn to learn the ins and outs.
My question here concerns the "Gritty Trigger Syndrome" of the M&Ps and the seeming lack of action on the part of S&W to correct this problem and is the M&Ps a good enough pistol for me to pay out the kind of money they are going for these days and then spend 20/25% of the cost to get a likeable/normal/more user friendly trigger?
I have a S&W 38 J frame Airweight that I have loved for years and that is why I went to S&W for a semi-auto pistol after reading tons of reviews and found the M&Ps doing very well. Though 90% of the complaints/problems/knocks were about the trigger and most folks seem to be okay with the outlay of extra cash and the time to fix it. I know, to each his own but is this gun really worth this effort?
Sorry for being so long.
 
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I just bought the M&P 40c about 4 weeks ago, i also have the sigma. although i do notice a little bit of grittyness, it is starting to fade the more i shoot it. compared to the sigma, this trigger is great...i don't see a need to go and spend more money...
 
After about a year of use I decided to change the sights on my M&P 9. Since the rear sight would be pulled I had the Apex USB Installed. The USB was $35.

The USB change smoothed out the trigger pull to the point where I could feel the reset point. It made my good shooting gun better. But, I would say there was absolutely nothing wrong with the pistol before the upgrade.

Is the desire for a trigger upgrade something endemic to the M&P?

I've checked with some of my friends and fellow shooters at the range...

Friend with H&k USP 9mm - trigger upgraded at a cost of about $300

Friend with a Sig P226 - short reset trigger added at a cost of $200

Friend with a Springfield XD - trigger polish job $80

Friend with a Glock 17 - trigger job (mostly just spring changes) about $100.





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Good day all.
I am new to the S&W forum and new to the world of semi-auto weapons but I am convinced that this forum is the best I have been on and so I would like to thank you all for making it such a comfortable and inviting place for a greenhorn to learn the ins and outs.
My question here concerns the "Gritty Trigger Syndrome" of the M&Ps and the seeming lack of action on the part of S&W to correct this problem and is the M&Ps a good enough pistol for me to pay out the kind of money they are going for these days and then spend 20/25% of the cost to get a likeable/normal/more user friendly trigger?

I went to S&W for a semi-auto pistol after reading tons of reviews and found the M&Ps doing very well. Though 90% of the complaints/problems/knocks were about the trigger and most folks seem to be okay with the outlay of extra cash and the time to fix it. I know, to each his own but is this gun really worth this effort?
Sorry for being so long.

Thank you and Welcome Aboard:D

To answer your last question first. Yes,it is worth it.

From my experience with all 9 M&P handguns that I do still own,I have yet to have a problem with the so called "grity triger". Mine were all tack drivers out of the box and DID require some break-in time just like any new weapon does. Any new weapon I purchase,the first thing I do is strip it down for a good cleaning to get all the storage factory lube out of everything as the manual says to do. Some not all skip this,reading the manual and just go shoot it. I also always check for burrs and rough spots as I'm cleaning and GENTLY de-burr and polish any rough spots as I go and also fit to see how the parts feel. I also have been using Frog Lube and apply as directed,using de-natured alchol to clean any left over lube completely off. Then heat the parts with a blow drier until hot to the touch and apply the paste form with a "flux" brush getting into all the "nooks & crannies" of the weapon,DO STAY AWAY FROM THE FIRING PIN, (NO worries,Frog Lube is polymer safe). Let sit to season for 60-90 minutes (I still supply some heat to keep the parts warm. Doing it out in the hot sun works great if it's warm out). I then go about wipping all the parts off with a soft rag reassembling the weapon as I go,also running a couple clean patches through the barrel. Then put a very tiny drop of liquid Frog Lube on all the lube points (as directed by the S&W manual). Take it out and start to get the weapon broken in. Fairly "gently" at first,letting the barrel and parts season themselves. ...not getting too hot first time out. Might shoot 100-200 rounds taking my time and "enjoying the trip".. Check targets for group size,patch holes and go shoot again,taking my time,getting use to the weapon. It also helps heat season temper the barrel. Gets warm enough and stays warm,gets and stays warmer as you shoot and check targets. Then I go home and take the weapon back down,wiping all the parts off with a soft rag (you'll be amazed how easy any dirt falls off) and maybe a soft brush like a tooth brush. Also checking all the parts for any wear signs as I go. Then re-Frog Lube using my blow drier for heat and letting season once more,wipe off with a soft rag and re-assemble as before and lubing as per S&W directions (remember FL liquid goes a long way). Next time out you can "play shoot em up" a bit harder getting the barrel more seasoned. Clean with a soft rag only this time,check weapon again,light lube with the FL as per S&W manual and your all set.

As for the gritty trigger. That does go away the more you shoot it. Some people like dry firing along with shooting to get there. I suggest snap caps if you also choose to do that. It will take a good 500+ rounds to get it broke in and trustworthy enough (for many) to CCW. I'd rather stick the $100-$200+ into ammo breaking it in and getting rid of the "gritty" feel,than just throw parts at it.

Also. If S&W were to take care of this "problem" in house,it would also raise the cost of the weapon a few hundred $$$ to have people sitting around buffing,pollishing and fitting parts. I'd rather keep the lower cost on the M&P's,spend it on bullets and a little elbo grease. And remember,more people complain about a problem than praise a good point. A greater percent of the tens of thousands of people that do own them aren't saying anything and just going with the getting it broke in before trying to fix it first.

I have zero issues with that "gritty feel" or the "re-set" issue and I've been shooting handguns WELL over 40+ years. :D
 
Thank you all for you prompt and very helpful responses. I am sold on S&W and I do love the look and hugely good reviews and user responses I have seen. I could only find this trigger issue as the one and only issue but it seemed to be a minor one in the big picture but I just wanted to hear from you all if it was enough to cause one not to jump in to the M&P fun...I see that I am going to take the plunge with full confidence that it will be a grand move thanks to you guys!
Love this forum..have a great day all!
 
a BIG welcome to the forum...glad to have you!i'm picking up a new M&P 45 4"tomorrow....will be glad to give you a report...will be next week before i can take her to the range
 
As a person who just bought a second M&P 9 that was built less than a month ago, let me give some observations.

My first M&P was bought two years ago and had a bad trigger from the factory. Many rounds were shot through it to try and smooth the trigger out. It never really improved to a point where I was happy, so I installed an Apex DCAEK with the stock trigger return spring and it gives me a consistant 4lb 5oz trigger pull every time.

My second M&P was purchased a week ago. It was built at the end of January 2013(less than a month old at time of purchase). The factory trigger is gritty, but the overall pull is decent. I could live with it and it would smooth out in time, but I don't have time to let it do so (taking to a defensive pistol class), so I am installing another DCAEK in it this weekend to make the trigger the same accross both pistols.
 
I have a very early M&P .45. Dropped the full Apex trigger into it and completly changed the gun. I am used to high quality 1911s and now the M&P trigger is in that league. Shoot it competitively and love it.
 
But to answer the original question, the M&P line of pistols are worth it, gritty trigger or no.

I have a full size 9 and a compact 40. Yes, they are great guns.
The trigger gets better the more you shoot it. Put a few hundred rounds thru it and do dry fire drills. It will get better.
 
If I were going to target shoot with my M&P40c, yes I would upgrade the trigger, but since I carry the gun for self defense, & not target shooting, I intend to do nothing. It feels fine, & if I want to shoot at targets at 25 yards, I have a custom Colt 1911 with the most amazing trigger. I don't find my trigger objectionable, & is similar to other striker fired guns. One gun can't do everything. GARY
 
Once again I am just thrilled to hear the responses here...ya'll, I"m 63 years old and I'm as stoked up high at the prospect of getting one of these M&Ps in my hands as the first S&W 38 Airweight I picked up several years ago....gone through the rifles, shotguns and just love the fact that we can still enjoy and share this experience!!!
 
My personal order of the three main striker pistols are:

M&P
XD
Glock

Mainly for ergonomics, as I have small meaty hands and the M&P with the small back strap fits my hands perfectly. XD's shoot low every time I shoot one. Glocks have never felt good to me.

And the main cause of grit is because of how they make the trigger bar, you can polish it and clean up some of the grit.
 
My personal order of the three main striker pistols are:

M&P
XD
Glock

Mainly for ergonomics, as I have small meaty hands and the M&P with the small back strap fits my hands perfectly. XD's shoot low every time I shoot one. Glocks have never felt good to me.

And the main cause of grit is because of how they make the trigger bar, you can polish it and clean up some of the grit.

That seems to be the three I see and hear the most about..and the more I see the more I see the gritty problem as nothing to get in the way of this fine weapon!!
 

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