Guards with guns at work

Worked a wreck one time involving a USAF Minute Man Missle warhead.
There was a USAF feller with an M-16 following me around.
I asked him if his gun was loaded.. He grinned and rolled his eyes and sed no.

I smiled and told him mine was. He just grinned.
 
I've worked a lot of Nuclear plants and they all carry a semi and an AR. And yes they are loaded but have a plastic insert they have to pull out before it can be fired. Takes about a second or two to pull it out.
 
In the 1990s, and I imagine today, the guards at Dow Chemical were armed. They had .38s and shotguns back then. They probably have Glocks and M4s now. Either to guard against sabotage or in case the zombies broke out of their pens.
 
I've worked a lot of Nuclear plants and they all carry a semi and an AR. And yes they are loaded but have a plastic insert they have to pull out before it can be fired. Takes about a second or two to pull it out.

I go in and out of Surry and North Anna NPS a few times a month. Both the gate guards and patrol officers inside the plant are armed with sidearms (Sigs I've noticed mostly) and some type of AR rifles (M&P's I believe). The rifles have the plastic "unloaded chamber" indicator, but the magazines are loaded. The men and women look very serious to me. I've never asked but I suspect they have full police power inside the plant property.

I've worked as both armed and unarmed security. It really doesn't matter to me, except armed usually pays better. One of the first things I've been told in training is "YOU ARE NOT A POLICE OFFICER." My job was to "observe and report." A pad of paper, and a pen were my main "weapon." When I was authorized to carry a sidearm, it was for "to defend yourself and others as a last resort." My real job was to patrol the grounds and buildings and look for anything out of the ordinary. What "out of the ordinary" was, depended on the assignment.
 
I've worked a lot of Nuclear plants and they all carry a semi and an AR. And yes they are loaded but have a plastic insert they have to pull out before it can be fired. Takes about a second or two to pull it out.

And if they pull out that plastic insert for any reason it starts an avalanche of paperwork that will take weeks to clean up.
 
I have a government clearance since I built 155mm howitzer for the U.S. Army. My last job the corporation had government contracts with there sister companies. We didn't do government work on this job site. We blocked the garage door with our c60 Chevy truck. We were on high alert when the war first started. Since I had my ccw license I offered to be armed on the job. My feeling of were a target we can fight back. But they weren't interested.
 
Several years ago I did a job interview with a large multi-national security firm for the position of a security guard in a bank. They offered me an ok hourly rate plus overtime and a 5 1/2 day workweek. Everything was good until they told me that it was an unarmed position. Unarmed at the request of the bank. I refused the position due to it being unarmed.

The hiring manager and his retired LEO cohort doing the interview could not understand why I felt the way that I did and became quite upset at my reasoning. All I was asking for was a fighting chance in a SHTF scenario. In my current position with a large armored carrier I shoot perfect scores in weapons qualification....every time.

I will never understand the lack of logic in "unarmed security" being able to provide security.
 
I've worked both unarmed and armed security, usually armed. This was for contract security companies who placed me at various posts, including banks. Otherwise, it was often retail businesses and in protection of a private individual whose estate I guarded for years, due to death threats and her general unease at being alone and wealthy. She also kept two servants who lived in an adjacent house, but there was a lot of turnover among them. I seldom trusted them. Only one couple impressed me much.

My last few years were at an office-retail facility with professional offices, restaurants, and shops. I checked the main building a time or two a night and mainly patrolled the parking lot, to prevent break-in's at stores.

I have very limited respect for most guard companies and their clients. Most just want to have security to get lower insurance rates and the guard is often exposed to considerable danger and made to work uarmed. They mostly just want an illusion of security to reassure shoppers and employees. When I was guarding banks, there was a career robber hitting them until he was finally captured. I made a point of determining where the best cover was in each part of the lobby and looking out for him in particular, as his appearance was known. But the most dangerous job was probably at the rich old lady's place, as she had some serious enemies and some servants weren't trustworthy. One Hungarian servant with mental problems was a real threat until he was dismissed.

On a couple of store protection jobs, I carried a gun illegally under my uniform coat. Thankfully, I found better assignments or changed jobs before anyone realized that I was armed. One of those jobs was in a pharmacy that had bullet holes in the wall from previous robberies.

Mostly, I worked nights and could write on the job. I published several thousand magazine and newspaper articles that I wrote there. (Typed them at home.)

One grocer near me has armed guards and I wish the nearby mall did. Another grocer has unarmed guards, and one was injured by a thief who ran off with some meat. And this is in a good part of town.

With encroaching terrorism, I think we may see more armed security. But I hope they hire better people than most security firms do. You can't expect a lot for ten bucks an hour, sometimes less.

One incident stands out that reminds me why I don't like guard companies. There was a case here where a 71 year old man was killed while guarding a cleaners at night. I don't know if he was armed. I think he was hit on the head. Putting retirees in danger like that is disgusting, but they work for low wages and will often take long hours. I'm seeing less of that, but such situations are still pretty common. Forum rules forbid me expressing what I'd like to say about most of the men who replace them. They're younger, but generally aren't what they should be.

Until companies pay more, good guards will be hard to find. But a declining society demands that we get more competent armed guards, or tragedies will increase.
 
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Here Bank of America has armed guards(revolvers) standing outside the front doors.
Not a bad job in the summer, but when it's cold like now, forget it!

They have the same here in N.C. They are not there everyday so it kind of keeps you guessing if they are there when you go.
 
I've worked both unarmed and armed security, usually armed. This was for contract security companies who placed me at various posts, including banks. Otherwise, it was often retail businesses and in protection of a private individual whose estate I guarded for years, due to death threats and her general unease at being alone and wealthy. She also kept two servants who lived in an adjacent house, but there was a lot of turnover among them. I seldom trusted them. Only one couple impressed me much.

My last few years were at an office-retail facility with professional offices, restaurants, and shops. I checked the main building a time or two a night and mainly patrolled the parking lot, to prevent break-in's at stores.

I have very limited respect for most guard companies and their clients. Most just want to have security to get lower insurance rates and the guard is often exposed to considerable danger and made to work uarmed. They mostly just want an illusion of security to reassure shoppers and employees. When I was guarding banks, there was a career robber hitting them until he was finally captured. I made a point of determining where the best cover was in each part of the lobby and looking out for him in particular, as his appearance was known. But the most dangerous job was probably at the rich old lady's place, as she had some serious enemies and some servants weren't trustworthy. One Hungarian servant with mental problems was a real threat until he was dismissed.

On a couple of store protection jobs, I carried a gun illegally under my uniform coat. Thankfully, I found better assignments or changed jobs before anyone realized that I was armed. One of those jobs was in a pharmacy that had bullet holes in the wall from previous robberies.

Mostly, I worked nights and could write on the job. I published several thousand magazine and newspaper articles that I wrote there. (Typed them at home.)

One grocer near me has armed guards and I wish the nearby mall did. Another grocer has unarmed guards, and one was injured by a thief who ran off with some meat. And this is in a good part of town.

With encroaching terrorism, I think we may see more armed security. But I hope they hire better people than most security firms do. You can't expect a lot for ten bucks an hour, sometimes less.

One incident stands out that reminds me why I don't like guard companies. There was a case here where a 71 year old man was killed while guarding a cleaners at night. I don't know if he was armed. I think he was hit on the head. Putting retirees in danger like that is disgusting, but they work for low wages and will often take long hours. I'm seeing less of that, but such situations are still pretty common. Forum rules forbid me expressing what I'd like to say about most of the men who replace them. They're younger, but generally aren't what they should be.

Until companies pay more, good guards will be hard to find. But a declining society demands that we get more competent armed guards, or tragedies will increase.

I am not going into a bashing thread on the security industry, but you hit the nail right on the head. Armed private security is on its way out in many areas of the country and will continue to follow that route due to liability concerns on the part of both the guard companies and their customers.
 
If I were a guard..................

and a possibility that a bad guy needed a gun to break in, due to the $$$ value involved... (not a salvation army )

I would "Have" a weapon on my belt, plus a night stick, can of pepper spray and also cuffs !!!

If the company states I am over "Gunned"................
I tell them my life is more important than the security "Dildo" running things.
 
If I were a guard..................

and a possibility that a bad guy needed a gun to break in, due to the $$$ value involved... (not a salvation army )

I would "Have" a weapon on my belt, plus a night stick, can of pepper spray and also cuffs !!!

If the company states I am over "Gunned"................
I tell them my life is more important than the security "Dildo" running things.

Sounds bold, Ed. Won't fly, in real life. Your only legal option is to find an employer who allows wearing a gun. In most locales, you must also be certified to work armed. And the client must approve being armed.

I really hope that no one here has to work a security job. There are better jobs, if you can find one. In defense of security, the jobs are sometimes more available and less likely to result in layoffs than in most fields.

One thing that really disgusted me is that I often had to work posts where I didn't even have access to a telephone in event of an emergency. This was largely before there were cell phones, but even when these were common, I wasn't issued one until on my last job. And I got it then not to provide communications so much as to require the guards to take photos during rounds, to prove the rounds were being made, with photos sent to the guard company.

Security companies mainly care just about the money. Even the media usually dismisses a security officer who's killed at work, giving the incident minimal coverage. A real cop is usually made out to be a fallen hero.

Backup is uncommon, and if the guard calls the police, the client may get upset. Private security mostly (bleeps).
 
I am a security contractor for the city of Colorado Springs. It is not a job I ever sought out.

My second year of college the college I attended had a job fair and my original employer was one of the participants. They were hurting for people and offered me employment on the spot.

That was in 2008 I graduated in 2009 and found out there were no entry level jobs in my chosen career field and I've been with the contract ever since.

Working for the city means I don't have to put up with a lot of the "mall cop" BS most guards have to put up with. I worked as a site supervisor at a storage facility on the edge of town for 3 years. During that time I would go weeks at a time and be the only person on site. Because it's a city contract we make about 30% above scale (which still ain't great) for our area.

Our armed guys are all issued M&P 40s, Fox Labs OC and handcuffs (God Himself would have to tell me to handcuff someone but we do get to carry them). Any employee caught with an unauthorized weapon is subject to immediate termination and arrest (it's against city ordinance for a guard who isn't firearms certified to carry a weapon)

Last July my original employer lost the contract and we were all picked up by the largest contract security company in the world. I got a .75 cent raise, a nicer uniform and really nothing else changed.

Last year the city cut most of our armed positions due to budget cuts but with some of the incidents that have been occurring in Co Springs I suspect they are going to find the money in the budget. If they do I will be getting a 3.00$ an hour raise which would be life changing for me.
 
All the guards are armed where I work:
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Kind of an occupational hazard you might say. ;)
 
At a location not too far from where I have a second home, there was a large windmill (electric generation) farm under construction for several years. The contractor hired off-duty sheriff's deputies for site security, and they were armed. It was a fairly remote location which probably didn't actually need much security, but I guess the contractor thought it did. I read something that Lockheed-Martin still uses armed security.
 
Armed private security is on its way out in many areas of the country and will continue to follow that route due to liability concerns on the part of both the guard companies and their customers.

It is sad comment on the state of the country when lawyers decide who and what level of security can be provided to the population.
 
when I got to Rhein Main AB in 1970 I was one of the chosen few to get to be a junior skycop for a a year. for an alert we had to report to the skycop place with our plastic helmet (I'm not sure what good it would do) and our gas mask (I never wore it in 3 years because my glasses wouldn't fit). they gave us a M-16 with a couple of magazines of ammo and dropped us off at various points on the flightline. we could have the magazine loaded in the rifle but nothing in the chamber. the only thing said was if you have shoot try not to hit the airplanes. they never told when or who to shoot but I guess they assumed that would be obvious. I don't think it took very long for the word to get out that there was a bunch of rookie with loaded M-16's as everybody stayed away from the flightline. even when the skycops came out to pick us up the approached with some caution which was probably a good thing.

I think there was maybe 5 alerts called and most of them were just practice. there was one time one of the alerts was called because the Bader-Meinhof bunch according to a report was going to crash the gate but that never happened.
 

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