Guess the round count on this M and P!!!

[El Campo]

This is a gun from CDNN Sports that I was wondering if anyone would like to take a shot at the round count that it has seen. I have included pictures of my other M and P that I bought new and has seen 300 or so rounds. The newer one will be on the right for comparison purposes. All guesses are welcome! This should be interesting.

 

[El Campo]

And the other side of the CDNN gun.

 

[Autococker07]

Ill say about 1200 rounds through the "new" one....(I assume thats the one with the night sights?) also, does that front night sight look a little to far left, or is it just the camera angle? Enjoy them!!!

 

[vipermd]

Do you know the actual count?

 

[MichiganScott]

The CDNN gun has had a lot more mags in it than your "new" pistol.

 

[Starwalker]

I'll play. I would guess 5,000 rounds-a pure guess on my part.

I noted the wear in the mag well and on the top of the barrel.

As long as I'm making wild guesses-was this pistol carried some by a right handed shooter?

 

[growr]

Looks just like my FS .40 that has over 17,000 rounds down range in USPSA/IDPA matches............

Randy

 

[Bkreutz]

Looks like the previous owner used the magwell as a pencil holder. I'm going to guess 1000 rounds at qualifying over the years and the rest of the time in the holster.

 

[gm272gs]

I will hazard a guess at 12k to 15k based on the mag well wear alone.

 

[Bkreutz]

As a comparison, here are some pictures of the magwell of my Core with ~40K rounds through it.

 

[sarge1967]

I would guess 15,000.

 

[Maddmax]

Range gun 27850.

 

[Dayvid23]

Has to be high, 47546.... or so.

 

[Rastoff]

Well, we have almost nothing to go on. You haven't shown us the wear points inside. There is little to nothing on the outside of a gun that will indicate round count. Holster wear and magwell marks could just be from dry practice.

So, without seeing the breech face, chamber, barrel lugs, rail lugs, sear, bore and other internal parts, you just can't tell.

At the time of this picture, I had about 6K live rounds through this gun and close to 100K dry presses:

At the time of this picture, I had about 1,300 live rounds through this gun:

I have about 2,200 through this one:

None of them have as jacked up a mag well as the one you got from CDNN. I wonder what the previous owner was doing that caused all that damage. It's not an issue as long as the gun works, but it's still not what I'd call normal wear.

 

[Bkreutz]

I wonder what the previous owner was doing that caused all that damage. It's not an issue as long as the gun works, but it's still not what I'd call normal wear.

I still think the PO had it on his desk and used the magwell as penknife and screwdriver holder.

 

[M&P&Me]

Guesstimate is based on condition vs his Core pistol.

60K live rounds.

 

[Buckey08]

Does the new one have a different trigger? Glock style?

 

[DASA]

The $300 or so CDNN M&P 40 pistols are Puerto Rico police trade-in guns. The one CDNN sent me had very little use or wear on the frame rails compared to my brand new M&P 9L. I believe this one is no different, although some cop in PR needs to practice his or her mag reloading technique if you ask me. I'd say 1.5K rounds tops.

Stay Safe...

 

[Smiffer]

Looks like the previous owner didn't like or care for it at all.

How in the world to you wear out the mag well like that.....ever?

 

[Bkreutz]

Does the new one have a different trigger? Glock style?

That's an Apex replacement.

 

[Thump-boom]

750-800 rounds

 

[walkin' trails]

Probably used as a hammer...

 

[El Campo]

Thanks for all of the replies gents!!! A lot of good info in here and wow those are some damn fine 1911s.... I agree with what has been said about the mag well. I have no idea how it looks so jacked up and yet the rest of the gun looks (what I would consider) very clean. The gun was incredibly dusty (not dirty as in powder, etc) and I am sure that if they kept it that way it would accelerate mag wear. Yes as was said my "newer" gun has an Apex polymer trigger (love love love it, especially next to the 10 lb trigger this new one has). I will try to take some more pictures of what Rastoff suggested. Stay tuned!

 

[El Campo]

Took some more pictures to help us investigate this gun closer. It has a provision so that it cannot be fired without a magazine in it. I wonder if that could have had something to do with the excessive wear in mag well (during practice drills, etc)? Was a little heavy with the oil I see in some of these pictures so I wiped it down after taking the pictures. Once again my "newer" gun is on the right for reference in all pictures.

 

[El Campo]

And a few more...

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I'm assuming, because of where it came from, this it's highly unlikely you know the round count (You never answered the question asked early in the thread.).

With all due respect, I'm wondering what the purpose of this exercise is. Are you trying to figure it out or do you know and want us to be amazed at how many (or few) it is?

What's the end-game here? Just curious.

 

[El Campo]

No I don't know the answer. It is the same as buying a car with a broken odometer that your life may literally depend on someday... We would want to glean as much info as we could so as to know what to expect in the ways of possible failures and early signs of them. I guess being a nurse I was taught to have and always have had an inquisitive mind...

 

[WilsonFlyer]

No I don't know the answer. It is the same as buying a car with a broken odometer that your life may literally depend on someday... We would want to glean as much info as we could so as to know what to expect in the ways of possible failures and early signs of them. I guess being a nurse I was taught to have and always have had an inquisitive mind...

OK, at least now I "get it." Here's my thought, and I could be dead wrong. Maybe upon very close inspection in person by a S&W Factory Armorist or somebody like that, that person may be able to give you a VERY rough estimate (likely +-5-10k) and I think that's being generous. No one on a forum like this with only pictures to work with could possibly hit it close. There's just no way. Now somebody may come along and call me out but if they do, I challenge them to provide the parameters they used to draw the conclusion that lead to their "guesstimate."

I just can't believe you can get there from here and all that's likely to come of this is further frustration. If the gun shoots safely and you enjoy it, just shoot it and enjoy it. If you're going to put 50k rounds through it, you should have bought a new gun to begin with.

 

[Rastoff]

It is the same as buying a car with a broken odometer that your life may literally depend on someday...

I kind of thought this is what you're looking for.

My standard for any gun that my life might depend on is simple. It must fire at least 500 rounds without any kind of malfunction using the load I'll be carrying. It must do this from beginning to end with no additional cleaning or lubrication.

How did I arrive at that number? Well, it's not completely a WAG. Statistically speaking, you must have a population of 30 or more to have a reasonable sample. With an auto-loading pistol, you must remember that the magazine is part of the equation. So, because I use mostly a 1911 with 8 round mags, 30 repetitions of inserting the mag and shooting until empty would be 240 rounds. If you plan on carrying an extra mag, and you should, that's 240x2 which is 480 rounds fired. I just round up to 500.

Now, if you were to alter that paradigm to include a 10 round mag, it would be 600 rounds to ensure two mags of 30 cycles each. However, you can alter that by shooting full mags three times each (this gets you to 30 of just firing the rounds) and then down loading them to save ammo cost, but still get the benefit of changing the mags a bunch.

In the end it's an arbitrary number dreamed up by some lunatic (me) on the internet. Even so, I'd do this process with any gun that is new to me before I'd carry it. The actual round count on the gun is irrelevant.

 

[DASA]

Interesting, note that the front frame rails of the older 2009 M&P40 are much longer than the newer gun in the same caliber. Is S&W using the same frame for 9mm and .40 these days?