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750-800 rounds
Guess the round count on this M and P!!!
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Probably used as a hammer...
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Thanks for all of the replies gents!!! A lot of good info in here and wow those are some damn fine 1911s.... I agree with what has been said about the mag well. I have no idea how it looks so jacked up and yet the rest of the gun looks (what I would consider) very clean. The gun was incredibly dusty (not dirty as in powder, etc) and I am sure that if they kept it that way it would accelerate mag wear. Yes as was said my "newer" gun has an Apex polymer trigger (love love love it, especially next to the 10 lb trigger this new one has). I will try to take some more pictures of what Rastoff suggested. Stay tuned!
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Took some more pictures to help us investigate this gun closer. It has a provision so that it cannot be fired without a magazine in it. I wonder if that could have had something to do with the excessive wear in mag well (during practice drills, etc)? Was a little heavy with the oil I see in some of these pictures so I wiped it down after taking the pictures. Once again my "newer" gun is on the right for reference in all pictures.
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I'm assuming, because of where it came from, this it's highly unlikely you know the round count (You never answered the question asked early in the thread.).
With all due respect, I'm wondering what the purpose of this exercise is. Are you trying to figure it out or do you know and want us to be amazed at how many (or few) it is?
What's the end-game here? Just curious.
With all due respect, I'm wondering what the purpose of this exercise is. Are you trying to figure it out or do you know and want us to be amazed at how many (or few) it is?
What's the end-game here? Just curious.
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No I don't know the answer. It is the same as buying a car with a broken odometer that your life may literally depend on someday... We would want to glean as much info as we could so as to know what to expect in the ways of possible failures and early signs of them. I guess being a nurse I was taught to have and always have had an inquisitive mind...
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OK, at least now I "get it." Here's my thought, and I could be dead wrong. Maybe upon very close inspection in person by a S&W Factory Armorist or somebody like that, that person may be able to give you a VERY rough estimate (likely +-5-10k) and I think that's being generous. No one on a forum like this with only pictures to work with could possibly hit it close. There's just no way. Now somebody may come along and call me out but if they do, I challenge them to provide the parameters they used to draw the conclusion that lead to their "guesstimate."
I just can't believe you can get there from here and all that's likely to come of this is further frustration. If the gun shoots safely and you enjoy it, just shoot it and enjoy it. If you're going to put 50k rounds through it, you should have bought a new gun to begin with.
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I kind of thought this is what you're looking for.
My standard for any gun that my life might depend on is simple. It must fire at least 500 rounds without any kind of malfunction using the load I'll be carrying. It must do this from beginning to end with no additional cleaning or lubrication.
How did I arrive at that number? Well, it's not completely a WAG. Statistically speaking, you must have a population of 30 or more to have a reasonable sample. With an auto-loading pistol, you must remember that the magazine is part of the equation. So, because I use mostly a 1911 with 8 round mags, 30 repetitions of inserting the mag and shooting until empty would be 240 rounds. If you plan on carrying an extra mag, and you should, that's 240x2 which is 480 rounds fired. I just round up to 500.
Now, if you were to alter that paradigm to include a 10 round mag, it would be 600 rounds to ensure two mags of 30 cycles each. However, you can alter that by shooting full mags three times each (this gets you to 30 of just firing the rounds) and then down loading them to save ammo cost, but still get the benefit of changing the mags a bunch.
In the end it's an arbitrary number dreamed up by some lunatic (me) on the internet. Even so, I'd do this process with any gun that is new to me before I'd carry it. The actual round count on the gun is irrelevant.
I had an HK USP .40 that I ran just over 15,000 rounds through a few years ago. I never holstered it and took good care of it. On the outside it looked brand new. The only indication it had been fired regularly was the noticeable wear in various areas inside the frame. The mag well looked good too.
