"Gun On Premises" Signage

No Trespassing, sure .
Beware of Dog , sure .
Alarm Company sign ? Possibly mild deterence to casual "amateur" burglar at random , a pro targeting you specifically , not so much .
Gun signage would actually have some meaning for a high security gov't facility , but for a private residence would just be an invitation to a burglary .

Without reopening the whole OC vs CC debate , we need to know the laws in your jurisdiction . Is ONLY Open legal for you, or is concealed an option ?
 
oldIrish – Agreed!!! Thx . . .

BAM-BAM – Don't you just love that??? While I'll admit to being older, and slower, and I've forgotten about half of my professional knowledge (due to not using it anymore 'cause I don't need it anymore), but I'm NOT senile. Your situation just reinforces what I said abit ago, "you can't fix stupid". Thx. - Hmmm . . . "DD" . . . I kinda like that . . .

Biggfoot44 – Agreed!!! Open-carry's allowed here – concealed-carry's, too, but the process to get a CCW permit here is nothing short of asinine. Specifically – 1 particularly onerous requirement is to publish your filing for the CCW in the newspaper . . . Really??? That seems completely counter-productive to me. As such, I'm not pursuing that. Thx.

I tho't I'd put the cap on this by letting all those interested what's happened in the last few days. There are primarily 2 state patrolmen who cover the area in which we live. They usually wave as they pass by, and occasionally they'll stop, roll down the window, and briefly chat with me if they happen to see me outside as they go by. The other day, 1 of them stopped by, and during the conversation, I mentioned what advice I received from the site, and what I've been doing about it. He asked if he could look at my "work". He got out of the patrol car, and we walked around the yard. He approved of the placement of the 2 no trespass signs. He also liked the beware of dog sign in my garage window. He asked about my "new" dog, and when I told him I didn't get one, we both had a good laugh. I showed him an exterior, and he said he'd never seen a setup like it before – a pin in the door that engages the door's frame when closed. He also liked the fact that everything's steel. He also liked the feature on the overhead garage door that also has a pin on each side that automatically engages the top of the door when it closes. And, he like the fact that all of the windows not only have the "traditional" latch between the 2 sliding units, but also a pin at each intersecting corner that go into holes in each window frame, and effectively interconnect them. He inquired why I went to such lengths with the doors and windows – I didn't. I bought the place in 1999, shortly after joining a practice in the area. The person who had the house built in 1988 was also a doctor, and I guess he wanted a secure residence, and he must've wanted as much security as he could get since there were less people then then there are now. During our conversation, I also learned that he, and the other patrolman, "keep an eye out for us" – a very reassuring fact – and I expressed our appreciation to him and his colleague. So, I tho't I'd share this as our way of reaffirming the helpful suggestions provided herein, and of our continued gratitude to those who submitted those helpful suggestions. Thx.
 
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joeintexas said:
I don't see where you live, that could also be a factor in answering your questions. When I lived on the farm in Texas I open carried on the property and had a rifle in the gun rack in the back window of the truck, never had a problem. Living in town now I don't advertise my firearms, I do carry concealed. As to signage, I'm with the majority here, why advertise you have firearms inside your home. No trespassing, yes, firearms, no.
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I agree. Location is important. NRA stickers on vehicles are not an issue in Arkansas. Probably the majority of vehicles in rural areas have them, which is all of Arkansas, Little Rock excepted. Cannot speak for other states though. Even here, I can see how signs like "Guarded by Smith & Wesson" or such, might come back to haunt in a civil case. As far as its being an attractant to thieves; probably not a factor since most folks have guns anyhow. That's also why there are very very few occupied home invasions here.
 
Here's my spin on it: don't post signs saying you have guns.

Signs advertising an alarm system are good. Thieves hate noise and hard targets. The alarm sign will deter many of them and they'll pick the next house.

A sign saying you have guns is just an advertisement that you have something worth stealing. They wait until you're gone and then break in.


The idea is to stop them before they even try. Thus an alarm sign is good. A dog warning is good. No trespassing signs do nothing.
 
I am reminded of my days as a rookie... my FTO pointed out that off duty... if one were to get into trouble (especially in those days before cell phones were common) that we'd be on our own with no back up on the way. Very much like a CC weapon owner today.
His point was not to advertise that one was armed... which would give away the element of surprise. If the **** hits the fan... you'll want & need every possible advantage.
 
Yeah only my opinion but I'm not posting anything on my property about guns. With all the break-ins of auto and homes going on, no need to advertise what there could be for loot. I don't see any benefit to do so.

Again just my .02
 
Another vote for no signage advertising you have firearms on the property b/c you'll invite break ins (I was a burglary detective for several years). As to the No Trespass signs put them up high enough so they cannot be pulled down (a common tactic of trespassers) but can be readily seen.
 
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Nbedford – Agreed!!! It'd work in western Kansas (where my wife's from) but not here on the Atlantic coast. Thx.

Rastoff – Also, Agree!!! The no trespass signs satisfies the state police, and the insurance company, but will it keep the "uninvited" out??? Probably not – again, what's good for the goose ain't necessarily good for the gander. And, the "uninvited" don't think about what it'd be like with the shoes on the other feet . . . Thx.

Flagman1776 – Agreed!!! Thx.

Ranger17 – Also, Agree!!! Thx.

Oldcop – Agreed!!! (see above comment to Rastoff pertaining to no trespass signs . . .). Here there's a limit as to the placement of such signage, ie: what they can be affixed to, distances above ground (min and max), size of signs, etc. Thx.

Keith44spl – Love that sign!!! Thx.

ALL good responses, and ALL very much appreciated. We both Thank You!!!
 
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My dad had an Ambassador.
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I have a micronational recognition pending at the UN, so there's no embassy as yet.
Our constitution prohibits signs or laws involving firearms.:)

(everything else came from the 10 Amendments and the Ventasner Meridian)

This has gone way off track, sorry.
 
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The OP didn't give enough (any) details on his actual situation. In rural or ranchette areas I'm familiar with, I think everybody, good guys and bad guys alike, just assume there will be guns in the houses. Not so much in suburban residences.
 
Regardless of the details, urban, rural, small town, big town, whatever. Still a bad idea to post a sign that says you are armed.

Not what the OP wants to hear. So cast my post on the heap with the calls to the AG and State Police, another, "no help".
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I just post a fresh note with the message below on the front door. My wife Mary is aware of the note.

"Mary, Don't go inside, Rocky just bit a salesman, chewed him up pretty bad, had to take him to the hospital. Rocky is still loose in the house."

This signage has proven to be a deterrent.
 
I'm in the no sign camp on this .
Its only going to make folks jumpy.
Was also thinking that the sign could be seen after the fact as a sort of note of intent.
Sort of the written equivalent of brandishing a CC no no.
 
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I have a no trespassing private property sign on chain across my driveway. I also have a sign at a gate that has do not enter and beware of dogs. My experience is that no trespassing signs don't seem to deter most people. A guy that worked for the power line trimming company even took my chain down so the shredder truck could back onto my driveway. I asked what gave him the right to take my chain down. Are people totally stupid or what? I think a beware of dogs sign is more of a deterrent.
I am sure everyone in neighborhood knows I have guns because I do target shooting. I also know who has guns around me because I hear them target shooting.
From what I have read it isn't a good idea to have cute or otherwise gun signs posted.
 
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Maybe a sign with just a subtile warning about dogs and firearms would be appropriate:

"This property protected by a pack of half starved, rabid attack dogs and an owner that is itching for the smallest excuse to give Marshall and Sanow another data point!"

Best,
Rick
 
Old TexMex – I like that sign!!! Thx.

Dvan34 – Nope, you're not the only one with that problem. I have it, too. I'm the one who knows how to spell "signage", but I STILL didn't catch the misspelling I did. My signs are in English only, since that's the official language of this country, I feel that if a person here can't read the official language, they shouldn't be here in the 1st place. As for the Vantasner Danger Meridian, it's semi-related, but I wonder how many people even know what it is . . . Thx.

Oink – I'd mentioned that we lived in a semi-rural area on the Atlantic seaboard. Thx.

Okiegtrider – On the contrary, I agree with all of those who felt a gun-specific sign wasn't a good idea. I tho't as much when I first posed the question, and everyone has provided me with positive reinforcement, so it isn't a case of "not being what I wanted to hear". And, as for the state police, and the attorney general's office, while I didn't get what I'd hoped for, I did gete what I expected . . . Thx.

Fulton722 – I love that!!! I read your comment to my wife, and she tho't it was great, too. She wants me to do that, too. So . . . . . Thx.

Al W – Agreed, and I don't want to exacerbate an already potentially south-bound scenario. Thx.

Rastoff – yeah, I'd really like to have that sign, too. But, I agree that the federalies may want it back. So, as much as I want one, I think I'll play it safe, and pass. Thx.

Gman51 – Yep, straight forward no trespassing signage is the best way to go. As for what happened to you, it just goes to prove what I've said before: "You just can't fix stupid". Thx.

Imissedagain – Oooo . . . the Bates Motel. That might work, but I wonder how many of the younger even make the connection??? Be sure to have Jimmy B set one up for me . . . Thx.

Riverrat – I do like the part about the "pack of half-starved, rabid attack dogs", but at this point, I think I'm going to pass on the latter half of the verbiage . . . Thx.

My wife wants to express her appreciation to those of you who made supportive comments. This means a great deal to her, and to me, too. Warmest regards to you from both of us . . . Thx.
 
Rastoff said:
Funny. I pass this sign every day. Of course it would be theft and a violation of federal law to post this sign on your personal property.
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Ras,
Sorry you missed the 'tongue in cheek' part of the post....
No one would seriously post that sign on private property.
Didn't mean to confuse you, sorry again.
Dave
 
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I have a few warning signs posted here on the ol' homestead. Here's one that's posted in the mule barn.
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Another one in the tack shed.
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This one out by the chicken yard.
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This one has no reference to guns, but it makes people think twice about crossing the fence.:p
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I have a few others scattered around the premises as well. Personally, I don't know if they work or not...but, so far, I've never had any trouble with trespassers.:D
 
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I don't use dog signs. They ARE the signs themselves.
If a bad guy knows you have dogs before hand and they want in your house, they may bring poisoned treats for your dogs.
I'm on the side of everything concealed until needed.
Maybe No Trespassing signs, but in a community setting they look kind of unfriendly, if you know what I mean.
There used to be a time when people knew they shouldn't trespass without having to be told.
 
Two things about the NRA. First: back in 1974 when I was coming home from law school, I had an NRA sticker on my back glass. Had a flat, and was having a devil of a time changing it. Don't remember now what the problem was. Anyhow a feller in a pickup stopped and helped me out. He mentioned that he would not have stopped to help but for my NRA sticker. Recently I mentioned to the propane delivery fellow, that I had been in the NRA since 1963 (as a junior member back then). He agreed with me on the NRA, and then out of the blue gave me a 10% discount on my order of 225 gallons of propane, because I was a Life Member of the NRA..
 
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I'm a big advocate of making people feel unwelcome. I have a 6' fence, and the gates are locked. Before I had the fence, I yelled through the door - never opened it. I have had "no trespassing" signs for so long I do not recall. Make sure you read your state's laws about what it takes to have a valid posting, then do it. Cut no one any breaks. Call the cops on any breach, period.

I am not a fan of the usual warning signs, especially about guns and the ike. Be as gray as possible. Don't ask people like most government lawyers or LE command personnel about such things - the vast majority are not qualified. In my office, most such questions are run by me for confirmation, and as a matter of law we can't give legal advice to people other than officials and employees of our county.
 
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