Gun Repo

[Shield 9 WV]

I'da called the cops.


The heck with the 4473. I have a receipt in my pocket saying I paid for the gun. Clerk refuses to give me MY GUN, that I've already paid for. "Hello, police. This man just stole my gun."

My thinking as well, don't change a word. They didn't keep "their gun" they kept "your gun."

Have your secretary type it up and sent it to me and I'll sign it.

 

[gman51]

I have a 40 year old Marlin 60 that works every time but a friend bought a new RemLin Model 60 a few years ago and it is a jamma matic.
I would never pay $500 for a 22 rifle but that's just my thoughts about it. I believe I would also get the Ruger 10/22. They are not all that expensive and Ruger has a top notch customer service if needed. For the price and quality I don't think Ruger can be beat for any of their 22lr. You want it to go bang not jam.

 

[627Pro]

Wow, what a sleazy practice that was. I have nothing to add to what others have advised regarding the legal ramifications of the yours/not yours situation.

Regarding your question on what .22 to buy to replace the original purchase, what type of Stevens 22 was it? A model 62 semi-auto, a model 15 Favorite, or something else? If the semi-auto, I'd go for the Marlin model 60 you mentioned. Inexpensive, reliable, and there's a reason they've sold about 11 million of them.

The 22 world has many potential purchases, but advice will be more relevant if you indicate how you intend to use it, whether you want a bolt action or semi-auto, and how much you want to spend. Lots of candidates between the $180 and $500 you noted. Marlins, Rugers, CZs, Weatherbys, and Henry are my preferred brands, and all offer good guns.

 

[ken158]

You explained a problem and some guys here are trying to sell you on another gun... funny how threads get so hi-jacked. Understand that the 4473 answers certifies you are not prohibited from a purchase. NICS or whatever states call their own check does the same. There is no gun registration. The only place that gun is matched with your name is on the 4473 which the dealer retains and also in his bound book. The 4473 is the only paperwork the ATF oversees. I would call local ATF and explain that you fear you may have unwillingly been involved in a straw purchase. This should get their attention and instigate a compliance check on the dealer.

 

[LVSteve]

I would call local ATF and explain that you fear you may have unwillingly been involved in a straw purchase. This should get their attention and instigate a compliance check on the dealer.

This. Go for the throat, it's what that shower deserve.

 

[ExRanger714]

Per ABC News 12/29/2018 (web page)

Government shutdown by the numbers: Who isn't getting paid

"More than 41,000 federal law enforcement and correctional officers are impacted, including:

-- 2,614 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agents.
-- 16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers.
-- 13,709 FBI agents.
-- 3,600 Deputy U.S. Marshals.
-- 4,399 Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents."

It may be a while before ATF investigates much of anything.

With so many Bureau of Prison personnel affected convicts may have to self-incarcerate and self-release.

 

[Walkingwolf]

This is America, sue them!(Sarcasm)

Just find a dealer with higher regard for ethics.

 

[627Pro]

So now, still wanting a .22 , I can get a new Marlin 60 for about $180 otd, or a Remington fieldmaster for a tad over $500. What rifle would you get?

You explained a problem and some guys here are trying to sell you on another gun... funny how threads get so hi-jacked.

No hijacking involved, the OP did ask.

 

[gregintenn]

I've never considered a pawn shop to be a beacon of ethical and moral superiority.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I am not certain if the police or any authorities can or would assist but that kind of retraction is actionable.

If you have a receipt for an item you already paid for then I bet you have legal ramifications against the store.

Definitely true. The problem is that the cost of a small claims lawsuit would probably convince anyone to not do it - but I think I would do it!

I had an incident like that once but it was funny. I bought a used, marginally fancy O/U shotgun at an LGS near me; actually, I paid partially and was supposed to return to pick it up to complete the deal. Before I got there it turned out that the gun was consigned by a guy in the middle of a divorce and the wife showed up and claimed the gun was hers. The owner of the store called me to tell me they had to give it back to her and I laughed out loud - technically, it could have been called stolen and none of us wanted to deal with THAT!

So I bought a Bushmaster AR/M4 instead. Everyone was happy!

 

[Gripgrabber]

Hello, Rib how’s about letting us central fl boys know what shop it was so I can avoid such a dishonest place!
Thanks
Semper paratus

 

[Autonomous]

WOW! Cover your arse, drop the dime. You don't want the kind of attention being an accused straw man can bring.

 

[Ribwizzard]

Starts with a V, and ends with Pawn, I have a gun at my regular place I'm picking up this weekend, going to ask their help on checking on any funny business happening with my back ground check.
As far as the gun, didn't care enough about it to put up a fight, and sure didn't want that shop keeping any of my money.
And for those that don't like pawn shops, there are good ones out there, just got to get out and find them.

 

[Alpo]

This whole " straw purchase" thing y'all got going is idiotic.


You may have noticed that on the 4473 there are three blank lines. I buy a rifle, the FFL puts it on the top line. I get called in, I'm accepted, I signed, pick it up, and go on down the road. Now the FFL calls his gang banger buddy and says "come on over", puts a g19 on the other two blank lines on the 4473, sells them to him and now I'm the papered purchaser of the two g19s.


Do you think your FFL would do things like that? Doing it that way would be a whole lot easier than going through that rigmarole that happened with the pawn shop.


I believe this is simply a case of a dealer who got a better offer for a gun and is reneging on a sale.

 

[500SNW]

"Value Pawn & Jewelry?" in Tampa?

 

[scoobysnacker]

This whole " straw purchase" thing y'all got going is idiotic.


You may have noticed that on the 4473 there are three blank lines. I buy a rifle, the FFL puts it on the top line. I get called in, I'm accepted, I signed, pick it up, and go on down the road. Now the FFL calls his gang banger buddy and says "come on over", puts a g19 on the other two blank lines on the 4473, sells them to him and now I'm the papered purchaser of the two g19s.


Do you think your FFL would do things like that? Doing it that way would be a whole lot easier than going through that rigmarole that happened with the pawn shop.


I believe this is simply a case of a dealer who got a better offer for a gun and is reneging on a sale.

It's very possible that this is a "legal" reneging, yes.

But the fact that the OP filled out the 4473, paid, and apparently came back after an expected wait period... that gives me enough hesitation that I'd follow through.

I've never known anyone to fill out a form and give payment, and the form NOT be submitted. Granted, here in La, if you aren't delayed you then get to leave with gun in hand. If you do get delayed, you then sign on the 'date picked up' line when you go back and get it.

But if dirty, "anyone" can sign the final signature, after OP fills out the form. It's illegal, of course. But that's exactly what we're cautioning him to check out.

 

[Warren Sear]

OP, the best thing you could do is just forget about the deal and move on.

No big deal.