Gun Show Observations & questions

I went to the "Big Show" in Reno last week. They have it 3 times a year. Been going to it for many years. I can't put my finger on it, but something was not the same about this last show. The prices were so outragious that all I bought was a brick of .22 ammo. There were dozens of old, worn out Model 94 carbines with 20% finish remaining for only $1200 (and up). If you are looking for a model 94 "rifle", with the longer barrel, and in the same worn out condition, why you can find them all over the show for only $2500. And lots of 1911A1's that have mismatched barrels, slides, and have otherwise been messed with for just $2500-4000. Of course most of the dealers will tell you that "as far as he knows" the pistol is 100% original, but of course he "is not an expert" on military .45's. I don't know what the dealers are thinking. Evidently they are perfectly content to pay travel expenses, and the high prices for their table spots, and just sit there and not sell anything. I am beginning to think that the major action for them is the dealer to dealer stuff that happens on Thursday, before the show is open to the public. They get a chance to tell each other how they stole a Navy Lugar, or a Colt single-action "Artillary" model from some poor guy who didn't know what he had. I looked at one "Artillary" model, and the guy only wanted $10,500 for it. There were not as many people bringing in guns to sell. There were more tables devoted to military, assault type weapons. There were far fewer M&Ps and Victories. And there were very few people buying anything other than ammo. Some of the dealers won't even look up at you and make eye contact. They are simply too busy talking to their neighbor dealer about their latest "score" (that they hope to turn around with a 150% profit), or reading a gun values book while they eat a hamburger.

Then there are the "museum tables", you know the ones with an engraved Henry rifle, for $65,000, perhaps a Colt U.S. Cavalry revolver for $20,000, or a matched paired of fancy duelling pistols for $220,000. These must sell like hot cakes.

There are more tables with knives, eyegalss cleaner, cheap silver jewelry, stuffed pheasants, repeating rubber band guns, and more people walking around with 20 tattoos, T-shirts that look like they have had the sleeves cut off with a weed-eater, and a burning need for another AK-47.

There was definately a change, and not a change for the better. It was a very subtle change. But I came away with the very unsettling feeling that a really good show that I have enjoyed for over 20 years is beginning it's slow disintegration, and that it won't be long before I just don't go anymore. Sad


+1, 100%.

This last Big Reno Show was very different. Guns such as M&Ps were very thin and very overpriced. I realize they don't go for $200-$250 like a few years ago, but $1000-$1200?!? for a run of the mill version?

Also, way more flea market stuff than normal. Many empty tables. Dealers that respond to a polite request to look at a gun like you had asked them if you could kick them in the jimmy.
 
Other than the guy next to the door with a nice display of museum quality old Smiths, colts and various high end semi autos (vastly over priced)

Did this guy happen to be from South Georgia? Stopped anyone coming in the door with a cased gun with, "Hey!! What'cha got there?"

If not the same guy, sounds like the clone of the one I'm speaking of. Absolutely beautiful guns, lots of Smiths, but over priced by a factor of 50% to 100%.
 
Did this guy happen to be from South Georgia? Stopped anyone coming in the door with a cased gun with, "Hey!! What'cha got there?"

If not the same guy, sounds like the clone of the one I'm speaking of. Absolutely beautiful guns, lots of Smiths, but over priced by a factor of 50% to 100%.

I bet I know the one you're think'n of, I don't know who he is though- if he's the same one. Never stopped long enough to look after the first time- good stuff, but condition didn't match the prices.
 
I am still laughing at the kid who told me that he was selling Napolean's junked up worn out 1911 because there were three bees on the plastic white grips. Most sellers are a bit more knowledgable and less insulting, I like to think he was filling in for somebody who was filling in for somebody.
 
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Gun Shows

They are addicting. I am an addict! Now that's out of the way, the quality of the shows has steadily declined over the last 10 years or so. And, it shows in the attendance. Once upon a time, you had to stand in line to get a ticket to any of the large fairground gun shows in Louisville. Last couple I attended, walked right up and bought a ticket, and was surprised at the lack of a crowd. The scooters are becoming more and more of a problem as we age; however, I hope that if I'm ever forced to used one to ambulate, I'll have a lot more respect than the current crop does, as they seem to feel "entitled". Prices just keep escalating to attend. In Louisville, $8 to park in the back 40 and $12 to get in the door. That makes it rather difficult to justify attending on an economic basis alone. And, Lord help us when it's flea market and gun show on the same weekend! Dad gets the curtain climbers and the strollers while Mom goes to the flea market. Ask me how I know! Anyways, long as they are there, I'll go. Cheap entertainment.
 
I keep reading the complaints and I don't see what the complainers see. I go to the shows. Big ones, little ones, you name it. I go in with an open mind, hoping against all hope I'll find just one of the things I want. If I went with only one thing in mind, I'd probably be disappointed. But I'll buy the best gun at the show (for me.) Or nothing at all. But I usually see something so worthy I really do need it.

Next month we have the big Louisville show coming up. I'll attend flush with cash and come home destitute. But happy. We scramble to keep our table covered with the trash others here complain about. Old coins, grips, some pretty good and bad guns. You name it. We buy tables to have a place to sit and BS. For us its fun. And most shows we need to make a trip or two out to the car to dump our treasures before we go home.

And I wish it only cost us the $8 to park and $12 to get in. When you buy a table its another $50-60 depending on the show.

I can assure you that if you pay the above mentioned $20 total and leave after one hour, you'll feel cheated. I'm firmly convinced no one can see a show in an hour or two. I learned long ago when hiking in the mountains the trail and scenery looks a lot different coming back than it did going. When Hiking, I always turn around about every 5 minutes to keep my bearings. At gunshows, I just walk it forward and then backwards.

And I see amazing things. Some of it is caused by other customers standing in the way, but most of it is me just not seeing the things I should. A bit of it is more stuff coming up from under the table.

We only buy (rent) a single 8' table. Before our pard Glen died, it was 3 of us sharing the space. Some shows we each brought along enough stuff to fill the table. But as luck would have it, something got sold. So up comes the next gun in line. Or maybe a ratty old holster or box of ammo. Treasures are where you find them! But its your job to look and find the things. You can't do that in a quick pass thru. You need to linger.

Of course the small shows are different from the huge ones. Our Louisville shows are often over 2,000 tables. There's got to be something there to please everyone. A few years ago I did my Christmas shopping at the gun show. I bought my wife a multi carat pendent. I'd never have the nerve or funds to do that anyplace else, but Gun shows have honest people, right? OK, the motivating factor was I had my 2 well known diamond appraisers with me. They both spent their working lives looking at diamonds and jewelry. I'm a rube, but I trust their experiences.

And if I didn't see anything to buy, where else can you meet Lee, Charlie Sherrill, David Carroll, Jim Fisher, and many other notables? Better still, you can abuse many of the posters here who are only stage names to you now. Whats not to like?:D
 
I LOVE GUNSHOWS

Well, there are three Gunshows coming up in my area in the next few weeks. I am excited about it and can't wait to go.Here's a little secret about them "old guys" in the electric scooters, they have good stuff with them to sell a lot of the time. I am going to see some friends that I only see at shows that will try to put some old junk they have picked up on me.They know what I like. And I WILL find me something to buy at a DEAL.I might not know what it will be but there is always something just waiting for me to take it home.There will be lots of walking ,lots of talking and a whole lot of just standing around.And YES, there will be strange looking/smelling people and there will be women wearing their clothes to tight and I think it's GREAT.Did I mention I'm EXCITED about getting to go to a GUNSHOW?
 
I go for a few good reasons. 1) There are a few members from here that also go. Meeting up is a great pleasure. 2) Sometimes I actually buy a gun. About every third show. Sometimes the price is reasonable. 3) Sometimes I leave the show with more money than I left the house with. Joy unbounded when that happens. 4) The excitement. Why, only a couple months back, I narrowly missed catching a .45 slug. Truth is I was 100 ft away and the slug hit the floor, splattering shards into the lower parts of the tableholders pals. 5) The food-not. At least the upcoming Lakeland show doesn't have the "Chili-cheese-fries" to plug the arteries of the unsuspecting as at the Orlando show. Can't wait. Joe
 
I LOVE GUNSHOWS ALSO

Well I have to throw in here finally. After going to my first gun about a year and a half ago, I too have found them to be great places to find things you never would nomally expect or go looking for. And normally, have spent 4+ hours at a show. And the thought of a show with 2000 tables?!?! That is huge.
We generally have a show in this area about once a month, and I have gotten to look forward to them, and been happy I have gone. The exception was the show in Norfolk this weekend. I took a different turn this time and went late Sunday rather than first thing Saturday. Mainly because at that time I could find a parking space on the street without having to pay (the only show in the area which charges) and to see if there were any deals to be had at the end of the show. But this show had absolutely nothing of interest and fewer vendors than I remembered. Still had lots of folks, and maybe it was the holiday weekend, maybe the number of local shows, but it was definitely the least productive of the local shows. Almost no used guns this weekend, all new stuff.
Interesting also was that on Monday we went to the range and there were a load of new folks there with new M&P's. Normally don't see any M&Ps other than ours at the range, but counted 4 of the eight lanes were new shooters, with brand new cases.
 
The local show is the worst, still go every month on Friday night in the hopes I find something! One guy has new in the box Model 39's and 59's, come on that's a long time ago, I'll accept "as new in box" but new in box from a none dealer, fraud! I go to get the Amish Cheese and go on Friday nights when you only have to pay the $2 to get in the lot. Tired of Sanded of and polished military rifles trying to be passed off as collector grade. Always hope for some small piece I am missing and the rare deal. What you gonna do it's what it is. I laugh when I see the present administration about how evil gun shows are, Junk is Junk, and they are too ignorant to know!
 
And the thought of a show with 2000 tables?!?! That is huge.

A guy named Ron Dickson runs them. They're called National Gun Day, and his company is called National Gun Day promotions. He has them in February, June, September (this year its Oct 16-17), and December. Sometimes his advertising over estimates the size. The smaller ones are maybe 1500 tables. The bigger ones push 3,000.

Other worthy shows are Wannanmacher show in Tulsa, OGCA (this weekend in Wilmington, OH), and the Indy 1500 up in Indy (be wary, those shows often have 500 tables of spy stuff, beanie babies, sausage, etc.)

But there are some truths about huge shows. First, bring comfortable shoes. To the casual browser, you don't see the show if you can walk it in a single day. Good practice is to try to walk it twice over 3 days! :)

Also, implement bird dogs. Those are friends who are familiar with your buying habits. They stop at your table and give you tips about where the good deals are lurking. Which leads to one of the most amusing events. Groups of wandering vagabonds head out on missions. They start with only a couple or few guys. Then as they round corners and pass aisles, they grow. When I'm sitting there passing the time and I see one on the move, I jump and run. Especially when I know the leaders and share interests with them. Its not unusual for a small party to develop at the end point. What started as a top secret mission ends up with a half dozen or more never-do-wells all congregating at someone elses tables. :)
 
Am sorry to hear about everybody's negative experiences. Over here there are two different venues for gun shows: both charge less than $10 for admission & parking is free. Never seen any dogs attend aside from one well-behaved Schnauser who belonged to a vendor.

Definitely see well-used weapons being sold for LNIB prices; that seems to be a very common phenomenon. Prices, however, have dramatically declined from 18 months ago.

Not everybody who refuses to dress like it is 1960 is a gangbanger. I suspect that mentality comes from the more aged amongst us.

Ultimately I enjoy going b/c it is fun just to see what is out there & you never know what you are going to find. It may just turn out to be your lucky day.
 
Getting to be a busy fall. Local El Paso show this weekend. Next weekend the long run to Houston, 1500 tables, usually a very good show. Early October is Albuquerque; a very nice show, and I get to visit Ron Peterson's store full of goodies. A rest in November and then the huge Phoenix show the first weekend in December, 2700 tables. Nothing much after that until another Albuquerque show in March.
 
I've been a NGD veteran since 1999. It's more social for me now than it is serious. I take one table and will cover it up and browse the show about 1/2 the time. I know most of the vendors and we have fun. Dick Burg's table is usually about dead center in the show and he draws the biggest crowds. It's S&W central.

I practice diplomacy and Dickson likes me. My usual table is near the front door, generally next to a multi-millionaire from NJ. Rich takes 5 tables and brings about 100 long guns that range from $1000 to 25k and even more. All the big players gravitate to his tables and I get to know them a little. One show I set up next to a retired Colt salesman and world champion pistol shot. Cool guy, he'd written a book and was an encyclopedia of Colt knowledge. I've met Lee Jarret and David Carrol and I know Josie Wales and diamond Jim.

Burg always has something stirred up and I'll bet we're tops at getting people in the show by hustling badges. Burg has a whole briefcase full of past badges so he can duplicate most any color. All part of being in the in crowd. Forum member GF can sweet talk Dickson's daughter into just about anything. He usually promotes a couple extra badges and several parking passes. Hope Dickson doesn't read this forum. :D
 
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