Gun Show Pricing - Too High?

Yep Those Gun Show Price's Are Just Too High

And That's Why I Rarely Buy a Gun at a GunShow.

Why Do I Go?

Because at at Gun Show,, they'll have way more of a selection than at One GunShop,, and They'll usually have the latest New Gun that's came out.

On the otherhand,, I also look at the used Gun's,, and if I find what I'm looking for at a Negotiable Good Price,, then it may very well find a New Home at my House.

They also have Leather Good's,, that I like to look at, knive's,, and usually some food,, cause it take's me a long time,, and I get hungry.

For me ,, It's not for Buy'n Though,, more for just Look'n Thru,, :)

Joe
 
30 minutes before closing, on the last day of the show, is a good time to negotiate on what's in front of you. Sellers are more apt to reduce prices then, since the show is ending.
 
I read these posts and conclude most of the above posters don't go to shows, have no clue as to what guns actually are selling for, and live in a fantasy world where the LGS has stock on hand. Reality is much different that that postulated by the above folks.

We went to a fairly large gun show in Louisville, Kentucky today. There were dozens of tables with more old S&Ws than any gun shop I've been in since the turn of the century. Some of the items were so scarce I was shocked they were up for sale. The only guns that appear in gun shops with an regularity are current production items. I have little interest in those, but you do see them. There were literally hundreds of tables selling ammo. Most at prices you can't dream about in an LGS. Reloading components from current production to some bullets in boxes that I'm sure predate me. Last time I priced .30 cal bullets in an LGS, they were asking $35 or more a box. At today's show, I was seeing them for $20 a box of 100. Brand name like Speer and Sierra.

I don't live in a region rich in gun shops. Sure, if I want to drive 50 miles I can take in one or two. But at the gun show I can see many offerings of dozens and dozens of local stores (many of them travel hundreds of miles). We also have the ripest of them all, the private vendors. Those are guys like me or you who want to raise some cash for a new gun or whatever. Stuff being sold at 1970s prices.

The gun shops I visit, and its becoming less frequent, have shocking prices (to me).

I do understand the feelings of people who don't visit shows wanting to bad mouth them. But the comments those posters make are just untrue. When was the last time you saw vintage K22s in a glass case at a shop? Today I could have purchased (if I had the funds) a few dozen of them, dating from the late 1940s up to the 1980s. You can visit local stores for the next year and not see more than one or two.

I have my facts straight. I'd suggest the nay-sayers actually visit a few shows before they come up with the bunk I'm reading.
 
I just got back from a gun and knife show in Albuquerque. I think the prices here are way too high.

Example:
  • Brand New Jerry Miculek 625 going for $975.00
  • Used Model 57-5 .41 Magnum 4" Mountain Gun (has lock) $900.00
  • Used Model 29-3 .44 Magnum 6" for $925.00
Those are a representative sample and seemed quite high to me. Is this typical pricing at shows?

Don't forget, though, you pay extra at gun shows for the gossip, innuendo and outright lies of the "cheeseburger fragment spewing"* guy behind the table selling the "story" that undoubtedly goes with each of those good deals! :):):)

* Skeeter Skelton's description of fat gun dealer at table who sold him "rare" Colt Model P Single Action Army, which turned out to be forgery, from one of his entertaining tales.
 
To Rburg's point;

There's different types of sellers;
Some are just people like us that are 'thinning the collection'.
There are non-FFLs selling AKs, ARs, 9s, 40s etc at above market prices (draw your own conclusions).
There are the brick-and-mortar stores with 'average' prices.
There are people with junk guns at high prices, good guns at higher-than-forum prices, the 'ammo' guys, the survival-stuff guys, people selling nazi stuff, WWII (Japanese and American)....am I even scratching the surface....

Oh, and there's tons of people selling beef jerky for some reason.

The people I spend the most time haggling with are the people that appear to be trying to make a dent in their addiction to S&W's, Rugers, pocket knives, reloading gear, holsters, etc. Those people usually want to move their gear and know what the REAL market prices are.
 
I agree with the last post almost verbatim. I love to go to gun shows. I almost always find a deal. It's the fun of the hunt that makes it fun. There are usually a lot of nice S&W's. The adventure is finding the table/vendor that wants to sell at a reasonable price something that I really want.
When it comes to selling a gun I don't ever take a gun that isn't very marketable and I always take a S&W in it's box. The box is the intrigue. I have sold several this year (more than 6) for the price I wanted to both vendors and attenders. Usually I sell them to vendors for my price. That may explain the high prices. Because I believe I am getting market value. So if they buy from me at that price they have to mark it up above market value.
Another true story this year.. my LGS had a new Colt Mustang 380 Pocket Lite that he said he would sell me at $700 OTD. I said I would think on it. (A so so price) I went to the gun show that weekend and he had it sitting in his case at $925:eek::eek::eek:
I asked him later what was up with that and his response was..you never know what someone will pay.
 
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I think the availability of things on the internet has really changed the look of gun shows. I used to go to look for holsters, mags, grips...that sort of thing. Doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. Unless you want AR mags. Those, they have. In spades!

I still go to one or two a year, as I still remember scoring my 4" 19-3 with the dinged-up stocks for $300 on a Sunday afternoon. But my percentage in buying a gun compared o the times I've gone is about 2%.
 
Shawn, thats one of my favorite stories, from way over 20 years ago, carrying around his "bait" gun in a paper sack, then wrecking his car trying to get back after finding the guns a fake. Man, gotta find that mag and read it again, Thanks Bob
 
Gun shows here in VA are turning into indoor flea markets. No honor among the promoters as they will rent a table to anyone with the bucks. Lots of jewelry, candy, coins, and junk. Some storefronts will bring things they cant sell across the counter hoping for a sucker or a trade... Prices on identical items have wide margins. Face it - a Glock is a Glock. Not a $5 difference between any model of which most are available pretty much all the time. Any collector S&W one may spot has a price that will have you running to the snack bar to purchase a $5 bottle of water just to get your heartburn in check... We all know the guy that has a friend whose uncle's cousin had one "just like that" and got big bucks.... And of course, there are the guys that bring a table full of stuff priced to "show" and prove they got it rather than sell it. I guess any excuse to get out of the house for a weekend is good!
 
30 minutes before closing, on the last day of the show, is a good time to negotiate on what's in front of you. Sellers are more apt to reduce prices then, since the show is ending.

I have to admit that tactic worked for me once four years ago, although strictly by accident. I had gone to one of those two shows I mentioned in my post above during a Saturday morning and noticed but did not buy a can of RE19 powder. That afternoon, I was reading some loading data and saw that RE19 was highly recommended for the cartridge I was going to load but by then, the local gun shop I patronize was closed. So I went back to the show just a few minutes before closing to buy that can of powder (still sealed, by the way, for $15).

As I turned away from that table, I spotted a rifle on the table across the aisle that either was not there in the morning or I just didn't see it. It was a brand new Remington Model 700VLS, a varmint rifle in a brown laminated beavertail stock and it was chambered in 6mmREM, one of my favorite cartridges and one that is no longer offered in a production rifle. Rifles in 6mm are bringing premium prices and the seller was asking $700 for it, which really isn't hateful if you are a 6mm junkie. I jokingly said, "I guess you wouldn't take $600 for it, would you?" He replied, "I ordered it in for a guy three years ago and he never came back for it. I'm so damned tired of hearing, 'If only it was a .243' that I'll take your offer."

When I looked around his table while he was putting it in its box, I noticed every other rifle he had was a Winchester - he obviously didn't deal in Remingtons often and didn't know what he had.

Sometimes it really is better to be lucky than good...

Ed
 
"Gun show people are not like gun stores and cant use the "overhead" excuse."

At one time , that may have been true. Not today. Gun shows have become big business , for the promoter/organizer at least. Now it can cost $100 per table per day. Many now make ya rent a table just for paperwork. Many charge a fee if ya want an outlet for electrical power.

And for the bigger dealers , gunshows are a lot of work.

Gun shows have come so far from the first ones I startred going to 30+ years ago. Used to be mostly hobbiests , selling the odds & ends they acquired thru the years. It was great for finding that one little 'part' ya needed.

Back then , ya could get an FFL without having a real retail storefront , so ya had a lot of Ma & Pa dealers , and ya could actually find good , sometimes great deals.

Now it's nothing but high priced , high pressure hucksters. If yer looking to sell , they offer a pittance. And probably half the tables are not even remotely gun related. Arts & crafts , jewelry , cheap knives and martial arts junk. More like a flea market.
 
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I read these posts and conclude most of the above posters don't go to shows, have no clue as to what guns actually are selling for, and live in a fantasy world where the LGS has stock on hand. Reality is much different that that postulated by the above folks.

We went to a fairly large gun show in Louisville, Kentucky today. There were dozens of tables with more old S&Ws than any gun shop I've been in since the turn of the century. Some of the items were so scarce I was shocked they were up for sale. The only guns that appear in gun shops with an regularity are current production items. I have little interest in those, but you do see them. There were literally hundreds of tables selling ammo. Most at prices you can't dream about in an LGS. Reloading components from current production to some bullets in boxes that I'm sure predate me. Last time I priced .30 cal bullets in an LGS, they were asking $35 or more a box. At today's show, I was seeing them for $20 a box of 100. Brand name like Speer and Sierra.

I don't live in a region rich in gun shops. Sure, if I want to drive 50 miles I can take in one or two. But at the gun show I can see many offerings of dozens and dozens of local stores (many of them travel hundreds of miles). We also have the ripest of them all, the private vendors. Those are guys like me or you who want to raise some cash for a new gun or whatever. Stuff being sold at 1970s prices.

The gun shops I visit, and its becoming less frequent, have shocking prices (to me).

I do understand the feelings of people who don't visit shows wanting to bad mouth them. But the comments those posters make are just untrue. When was the last time you saw vintage K22s in a glass case at a shop? Today I could have purchased (if I had the funds) a few dozen of them, dating from the late 1940s up to the 1980s. You can visit local stores for the next year and not see more than one or two.

I have my facts straight. I'd suggest the nay-sayers actually visit a few shows before they come up with the bunk I'm reading.

The last time I saw a vintage K-22 in a glass case at a shop was exactly 3 weeks ago, the last time I stopped in at the shop in Mt. Airy, MD where I bought my 4-screw pre-17 last July. This time it was a 17-1.

I go to quite a few gun shows, even though I know it will probably be a waste of my time. Most of the shows around here are put on by the same 2 or 3 promoters, and most of the vendors are LGSs who just load up their stock and go to the show for the weekend. They don't drive for hundreds of miles - almost all are from within a 50 mile radius. The prices are the same at the show as back in their glass cases any other time. The only advantage is being able to see stuff from a lot of dealers all at once. The prices are the prices, regardless. Some of the vendors you have to wonder how they ever sell anything. Like the guy selling SA Range Officers for $900 when a guy a few aisles over has them for $769. LE trade-in M-10s for $375. Off-brand Chinese optics and beef jerky, airsoft guns, no-name holsters, cheap knives.

I go to the Chantilly show in VA precisely because I do see a lot of old Smiths there, a whole lot of collectors' items I don't see elsewhere. But only a fool goes expecting bargains.

We've talked about this on this forum any number of times. The situation varies according to where in this vast country you live. The East Coast isn't rural Kentucky. Just because someone says what he sees around him and it doesn't square with "the facts" as they may be in your world, don't assume he's a liar or an ignoramus. It's nice that you enjoy the shows you go to. Just don't assume that because it's one way in Kentucky it's that way everywhere.
 
Not today. Gun shows have become big business , for the promoter/organizer at least. Now it can cost $100 per table per day.

Tables are only 8' long. Gasoline is $3.50 a gallon. Motel rooms exceed $100 a night. Lunch inside the venue us often awful and costs as much as a decent meal. Supper out with buddies isn't cheap because the guys are hungry and out on the town. How is that no overhead? If you look at the per day cost its probably higher than your LGS per day. The big advantage is we do it for fun. And often we don't see any profit, just getting our poorly spent money back so we can "invest" it in another dreamed of gun.

I'm guessing anyone who goes to a gun show expecting a fat profit will come away disappointed. Its also fun to hear the vendors lament the prices they see out on the internet, and how they can't ever get anywhere near what they saw a item sell for last week.

Now for a tidbit of ultimate truth. Unless you're looking for a brand new production firearm, you won't find it at a LGS. If you want a recent production, but no longer made or sold through commercial channels, gun shops won't have it. If you're looking for a gun that is older than you, and want to be picky about condition, you'll almost never find it in a store. I don't often go to a gun show with one specific item in mind. Yesterday was an exception, and I'd seen it the prior weekend at a show.

We're seeing threads here about ammo shortages, or how WallyWorld is out of some calibers. Its not at all unusual to see vendors at a gun show hauling in pallets full of "hard to get" ammo at a time. I often wonder how it is that gun show vendors can acquire a pallet full of AR ammo but the local LGS can't seem to get any at all. But I know the answer. The show vendor will pay the price and buy the pallet loads at a time. The LGS wants to order 3 boxes of this, one case of that, etc. And then he'll want it UPS'd.

So the wholesaler tells everyone the same thing. Yes, he's got some in the warehouse. If you send a truck, his fork lift will put it on the tailgate. Cheaper by the pallet than by the case, much cheaper than breaking cases down and repacking it. The gun show vendor shows up at 0800 backed into the loading dock. He ordered it yesterday, got his total, and has a bank check in his hand. The LGS won't pay the wholesalers outrageous prices to do the custom picking, repackaging and then the UPS hazmat fees. Worse, the custom picked order takes a bunch of time, and they're backed up 2 weeks on those. The LGS total order might be $1000, but its credit and the LGS pays late all the time. His forklift driver can put 6 pallets on the dock in 10 minutes, the deal is pay in advance, and its sales of $50,000 now.

Walmart operates differently. They want to buy the manufacturers total production for the next week. They beat the producer over the head on price. It keeps volume up but there is very little profit, none if they only sell to one customer.

I personally like watching the ammo guys sell out. A whole pallet full of AR ammo gone in the first 6 hours of the gun show. Carted out one case at a time by gun nuts (not a bad term). Some of the ammo sellers are trying to figure out how to haul in a 2nd pallet later in the afternoon. The people I feel sorry for are the guys with off caliber ammo needs. Nobody wants to produce or stock slow moving items. The only market is the small seller who doesn't much care. He bought some minimum quantity last year and is still trying to sell it down. He's got to charge a fair profit just to eat.
 
There are very few gun shows here.I went to one and was very plesantly suprised to see one that was honest.He had a in box 1960 Cobra with its box for 350 dollars.It was very refreshing
 
The last gun show I went to (and the last one I will go to for the forceable future) had about three (3) "vintage" S&W revolvers and by vintage I simply mean pre-lock. Two of those were Brazilian 1917s for well over the $500 I would be willing to pay for one. Guess, as others have said the quality of things offered at gun shows is very regional. rburg obviously hasn't been to a gun show like the last few I've attended.

It just isn't worth $10-$20 to look at over priced stuff I'm not interested in. It's been so long since I actually found something to buy at a gun show I can't even remember how far back that was. (LOL)

Dave
 
I still enjoy gun shows, because you never know what you will find. I have bought quite a number of old (1860-1960) S&W's at shows. I actually like the smaller (100-300 table) shows where the dealers appreciate you coming and digging through their holster and grip boxes in search of a jewel or two. You can also pick up that pound or two of powder that the LGS doesn't have in stock and hasn't had for nearly a year. Maybe a box of obsolete bullets for your 219 Donaldson Wasp, or a lens cap for your Unertle. If you want a bunch of new stuff, just go to your LGS and buy it.
 
The big shows here are mostly done by one promoter.I haven't been to any of his flea markets in a few years.There is one large show put on by a collectors group in the spring that is very good.Years ago there were a number of smaller shows that actually had collectable guns.The last one I went to ,5 years ago,I thought a little too long about a nib,4" ,late 60s nickel python for $900.
 
Gotta' love the gun shows. If not for them, my S&W collection would be maybe one third of what it is today. :)

Same here.....but let's keep that a secret. Less crowded gun shows are good for us

Out of all of the gun show finds my favorite is the 3" 66-4 that a private seller brought with him. Excellent condition with Spegel boot grips, $450.
Several dealers he had showed it to wanted to lowball him to make more profit. I guess the chance of nearly doubling their money was not good enough for them.
 
Tables are only 8' long. Gasoline is $3.50 a gallon. Motel rooms exceed $100 a night. Lunch inside the venue us often awful and costs as much as a decent meal. Supper out with buddies isn't cheap because the guys are hungry and out on the town. How is that no overhead? If you look at the per day cost its probably higher than your LGS per day. The big advantage is we do it for fun. And often we don't see any profit, just getting our poorly spent money back so we can "invest" it in another dreamed of gun.

I'm guessing anyone who goes to a gun show expecting a fat profit will come away disappointed. Its also fun to hear the vendors lament the prices they see out on the internet, and how they can't ever get anywhere near what they saw a item sell for last week.

I like going to gun shows!:D Unlike most of the posters in this thread!:D:) I have to admit a lot of prices are pretty high, but I like walking around, talking with all the gun people I know, seeing if I can find something I like and just the general excitement of all of it.:) I go back to work and laugh/wail about the prices, especially the junk condition guns!

The few times I have rented a table at a show the guns I sell I bought at market price, it's not like I get things at waaay below market just because I am selling them!:) I put a high price on the ones I really don't want to sell and when someone looks at it I laugh and tell them I really don't want to sell it. And then I have a good cry for a couple of weeks when they sell! It is still a lot of fun.
Ed
 
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