Gun Show Tips!

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I've been attending gun shows regularly since 1965, and along the way I've learned a few things. I'd like to pass these tips along. You're welcome to contribute more!

1. If you're a collector, take along a list of those guns you are looking to acquire. Try to stick to it, and not be tempted by "targets of opportunity" you'll see on the tables.

2. Take along reference material, even if you only leave it in the trunk of your car. The Standard Catalog of S&W Third Ed. should be a "must" for S&W collectors. If you need to refer to it on a specific piece, then run, don't walk to the parking lot and check your reference.

3. Take cash. Green talks. Go to your ATM and withdraw what you think you'll need at the highest level you're willing to spend. I find it useful to staple $20 bills into packs of five ($100) for ease in counting when you close a deal. Negotiate with "What's your rock bottom, cash on the barrelhead price?"

4. Get to the show so as to be among the first in the door. Then make a VERY quick sweep of the tables so as to nail something you want before anyone else sees it; and while the owner might not have a good idea yet as to what it's worth.

5. Conversely, go to the show on the last day a few hours before it closes. Vendors may be anxious to get rid of stuff that hasn't sold, and they don't want to pack it home. Good time to make a lowball offer.

6. ALWAYS negotiate. "That's more than I want to spend." "Do you have any wiggle room on that?" "I only have $X on me." "The guy down the way has one, and he's only asking $X"
"My wife (or husband) will only let me spend this amount." "Are you willing to trade for this Spanish .25 auto?" "I checked the SCSW and it says it's only worth $X in this condition." "It has a scratch... It has some pitting... The bore looks frosty... The stocks aren't original... You don't have an original box for it... etc. etc." Walk away with "Sorry, that's just too much," and see if you get called back with "How much did you want to spend?"

7. If you don't see something you like on your first quick sweep of the show, then take your time and check each table in detail. Sometimes a sleeper that you didn't see before will lie there waiting for you.

8. Take along a gun rug or rifle scabbard to protect your newly-bought firearm. You don't want it to pick up nicks and dings by leaving it in a plastic sack thrown in the trunk of your car.

9. Spousal relations: If at all possible, do NOT bring your spouse along. Like sausage making, negotiations are not something you want her or him to watch. Also the age-old cry of "I could buy a whole new formal outfit for that" could interfere with your zeal.

10. Wear a shirt with lots of pockets. Include in them: pen and paper to write down aisle locations of things you'd like to come back to, a small magnifying glass to check markings, a small battery-powered bore light or key chain light, money apart from that in your wallet, your want list, etc.

11. Buy ammunition last. It's a bear to carry it around the show all day. If there's a run on the ammo sales places, buy it, but take it out to your car right away and come back.

12. If at all possible, set up a vendor table of your own. You'll find interesting things at other tables during the set-up period (usually the day before) and you can beat the crowds.

13. Wear your most comfortable shoes - you'll probably be walking miles at the show.

14. On your initial sweep of the show, you may find two identical items at different prices. Play one against the other while negotiating.

15. Be sure you know how to check out used guns properly; I won't address it here, but revolvers in particular need to be checked on at least six particulars before buying. Please check the gun out mechanically before buying and be sure of what you're getting before shelling out hard-earned cash.

16. Condition is everything. Don't be tempted to buy a poor condition piece as a "representative example" until you can find a better one unless it's really rare. An excellent or NIB gun will always be worth more - both when you buy it and when you decide to sell it.

17. When you're standing in line for the show, have a buddy hold your place while you cruise the line looking for guns that are "walking in off the street." You may get first dibs on something you like. Remember that commercial vendors are only prepared to offer a fraction of what a gun is worth so that they can resell it for a profit. Remind the owner of that as a negotiating point.

18. Never buy anything from an attractive gal with lots of cleavage. You will be too distracted to think clearly....

19. It's usually best to buy from a private individual rather than a dealer. Show your required ID, but the less paperwork the better. No telling what this country may come to in the future. If you do buy from a dealer (some of my best friends are dealers, so no offense here), then be sure to record the fact you bought it from a dealer in your records. You should have two categories of guns: Those with paper trails and those without. Remember also that dealers have less negotiating room, and you'll always wind up paying a sales tax. Be sure you negotiate the "out the door" price.

20. If you don't KNOW what you're getting, and you don't have reference material on it, ask around - most gun shows are crawling with knowledgeable people on one thing or another. Check with a vendor specializing in what you're contemplating.

21. Buy the gun, not the story. "This gun belonged to Pat Garrett! It could very well be the one that shot Billy the Kid." Yeah, right. Get some provenance in the form of old notarized affadavits, factory letters, etc. to verify any story. Otherwise, just smile and walk away.

Hope these tips have been useful. I'm sure the members here can contribute many more. Good hunting!

John
 
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There's this one old guy at our Market Hall show that brings out a five year old Blue Book of Gun Values when he wants to give you a price on your gun.

He never remembers me, but I screw with him every show. A few shows back he offered me $275 for my LH 624. It was to old he told me.
 
You gotta look for guns sometimes.

Brother & I were at a show, he smacks me & points... still didn't see it, "oval grips in the waistband" he tells me. So I ask, "do you have a S&W for sale?" It was a mint condition 4" 32-30HE (1916-1917), he had been trying to trade it to a dealer for a Taurus....figured it wasn't worth much, was gonna take it back home.

Not everybody wears an neon orange poster board.
 
Your suggestions are excellent. I don't shun the "targets of opportunity" though. There are a lot of guns out there that I didn't know I wanted untill I saw them. ;>) I have had good luck working the people who are walking the aisles with guns to sell. I bought a decent Browning BAR like this for $350 at a show recently. It must have been a bargain since 5-6 people offered me $400+ before I left the show. I once bought a nib S&W Model 50 for $365 from a guy who couldn't sell it to a dealer for near that amount.
 
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Hi:
In the past when I attended gun shows #5 was my way. On the last two hours of the gun show "Delusions of Grandor" of the sellers has disappeared.
The last show I attended I went to find a pair of grips for a Model 59. I only carried the gun frame in a pistol rug which was tied with a plastic tie at the door.. I think that a hundred people came up to me to inquire what I had in the rug.
Jimmy
 
Don't be a know-it-all. You might be more in the know about a piece than the seller, but stay quiet. Blow-hards usually don't spend money, and all the dealers know it so they won't take you seriously.

Don't act too interested, and practice your poker face. Give the dealer the impression that you're about to walk away.
 
I've always got the best deals when I had the cash in my pocket (or more than ONE pocket) so as to avoid the 'be-back' syndrome.
 
Wear old worn out flannel shirts and blue jeans so people will think you are poor and cut you a better deal. This is called the Dick Burg rule.

Slandered again. And tell us, Blake.... how well has that worked? You won't budge a nickel! And you already know I'm impoverished! :) Now your table mate has managed to sell me a bunch of stuff over the years! :)

As for the above rules, we alter them a good bit. First, its not $20s in packs of 5, its $100s in stapled packs of 10. We call that the Carl Dillon approach. (Carl has a table about 100 feet from Blake.)

Always get a table, or make friends with someone who will let you store junk. Bring along one of the folding wheeled carts, a shooters vest (covers the pocket idea, but its thin web that allows air to circulate.)

Those who read the bible (SCSW) are amusing. Even more amusing are the guys who try to negotiate using its values. Jim knew the values were open to debate when he wrote them, much less obsolete when he had the book edited, shipped to a far off country for printing, then binding, then shipped across a big ocean for distribution. That was years ago, before the last surge in prices..the one before the one we're in now... :)

Having a table you can sit at is great. It takes the load off your feet while the younger guys wander around and act indecisively. At the last NGD show when Charlie Sherill came up to visit, we did just that. He and I sat and BS'd while his son, Jr, tried to run up and down every aisle at a 3,000 table show. Remember the old saying about the old bull an the young bull? The young one, all steamed up suggests they run down the hill and service a cow. The old bull says no, lets walk down and service them all. That'd be me and Charlie.

Except I always cut our visit short when one of my bird dogs came back with a hot lead on ammo. So I'd wander away, using my directions, then return with all I could carry.... :) Yes, stored behind the table.

It does help to have a few experts within reach. Some are just unbelievable at how good they are at picking out original guns in a field of beauties.

We have things we've experienced, too. First, we don't believe the end of show stuff. We come during setup. Its when the scarce items change hands. I bet in the last 15 years I've bought more during the Friday setup (and sold more) than all the Saturdays and Sundays combined. And Friday's part of the show is only half as long! Any sales or purchases made the days its open to the general public are made during the first hour, before the doors are even open!

I know that kind of bursts the bubble of folks coming in to score something early Saturday, but the great guns are usually under the tables by then. Sometimes we drag them out to show to a friend, but its rare the folks who really pay the tab even get to see the best deals. Well, except for the choice guns I have at my table! :D :D
 
I learned the "buy ammo last" tip the hard way. 2000 .45 bullets get real heavy real fast...
 
I only have one rule for gun shows.

1. Never buy a gun at a gun show!

I buy ammo, parts, grips and whatnots but never a firearm.
 
I only have one rule for gun shows.

1. Never buy a gun at a gun show!

I buy ammo, parts, grips and whatnots but never a firearm.

Where else would you find great old handguns? Buy on the internet, you end up bidding against the rest of the world. Buy at a gun shop, and you get last choice. The shop owner takes all the best or rarest for himself. Then the clerks get a shot. Only after that does the customer get a chance. And then only if he's the first one to see it. At gun shows, you can often see the guys walking in with Grandpa's old gun. Better still, at the tiny shows, no one has enough cash money, or are too stingy to to spend it. Leaves an open field for the interested collectors.
 
"Where else would you find great old handguns? Buy on the internet, you end up bidding against the rest of the world. Buy at a gun shop, and you get last choice. The shop owner takes all the best or rarest for himself. Then the clerks get a shot. Only after that does the customer get a chance. And then only if he's the first one to see it. At gun shows, you can often see the guys walking in with Grandpa's old gun. Better still, at the tiny shows, no one has enough cash money, or are too stingy to to spend it. Leaves an open field for the interested collectors."

+1 on these comments, and great OP; very good insights shared, thanks...
 
My brother and I were at a local gun show a year or so back when he spots a little bit of a blue box peeking out from under the arm of another attendee. I was intent on looking at the stuff on the tables when I hear him says, "What's in the blue box?" The guy pulls out an NIB 1988 2 1/2" 686-2 with original paperwork and everything. My brother wasn't interested, so he gives me that look that says, okay for you to proceed. I ended up buying it for $500 out the door. It's a real beauty.

That adventure reminded me that one must keep an eye on the regular folks cruising the show. It's become a running joke with us now. Once and while I'll look over at him and in a nasally/whiny voice I'll say, "Soooooo, what's in the blue box, mannnnnnnnn?" It helps us keep in mind that not all good things are on the tables.
 
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Maybe I should qualify that, never buy a gun at a gunshow. I also would never buy a gun on the internet. I have seen a lot of trouble guns doctored up to sell to an unwary victim. The sellers usually can never be found again. I know that there is a lot of fine honest folk at the shows but I am not willing to take the chance. I like a brick and mortar shop with a dealer I can trust. However with all that said, I would trust our forum members here and would not have a problem buying a gun in our classified section!
 
Your right, I dont buy many guns, I only average two to three new to me S&W's a month and a few odd, catch my fancy guns as well. Im retired and can wander around checking out my dealer network.
 
You won't budge a nickel! And you already know I'm impoverished! :) Now your table mate has managed to sell me a bunch of stuff over the years! :)

Dick, I just figure that if I lower the price on something to the point where you would buy it, I would be selling it way, way too cheap. :D
 
Gunshows

I am a gunshow scrounge, and pretty good at it. The last Tulsa show I scored a nice pre-29 in the black case for $1500. Took it up to the SWCA table and everyone wanted to know where I "stole" it from. I spotted the box kinda hidden on the guys table and voila.

Same show I bought a 57-58 vintage pristine box of Western Super-X 44 mag ammo for $37.00:D. Took that to the SWCA BBQ that night and just about got mobbed. The box was in very plain sight on the guys table.

Here's the haul
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I recently bought a 5 screw pre-28 for $450 mint and a decent 4 screw 28 for $350. Both at gunshows and both from dealers.

Ya just gotta look.
 

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