Gunsmithing as a part time career

Before my neurological problems I was studying gunsmithing and I made a little gun money fixing guns and making holsters. I can still make holsters though not as quickly but my hands don't work well enough for actual gunsmithing. I'll work on my own guns but that's it. Most of the guns I was asked to repair just needed a good detail cleaning and relube. Some like .22 revolvers needed firing pins and chambers smoothed from being dry fired too much.
 
I have contacted AGI and Penn & Foster via email and info request with no reply from either. At this point I am just curious about all of this. I do not expect to get rich, but it would be nice to learn for myself or make some money on the side, then see if it could go further.
 
Good luck on that

An old test for APPRENTICES in the OLD SCHOOL ERA, was to take a block of Steel, a set of files,

and a Toolmakers Square, and file out a Perfect 1" Cube, then turn the 1" cube to a 1" Ball or Sphere.

A Master in the old Trade Guilds was truly a Master of his Craft.

I wonder how many apprentices that have done that still exist, much less the masters? I have lamented that anybody with a hammer can call themselves a carpenter. The company I worked for got modern and eliminated their apprenticeship program. When we had a new office building built, we asked why the concrete walls weren't straight and were told that we were "desiring a level of craftsmanship that didn't exist anymore".
 
rwsmith,

Time marches on, real Old World Craftsmen have died off as for the most part.

CNC equipment and Robots have replaced them in many jobs.

This era DEMANDS THE WAL-MART PRICE and due to the expense

of repairing a USED item, The THROW AWAY GENERATION came into being.

MIM parts whatever you think of them, are highly precision pieces.

Polymers can also be molded very precisely and at a low cost.

Very few can afford the cost of Old World Craftsmanship anymore.
 
Just FYI. I got my free info pack in the mail today from AGI. It has a bunch of "why we are the best" info packets in it and it came with three DVDs. The cost is crazy ridiculous at $4-$8k for what is basically a learn from video setup. I have also been looking around online and have found their DVDs posted online. I am not saying that I would do that or that it is legal, but they are posted on a few sites for free. I like the idea of a gunsmith but I have to be realistic about it as well. I have no experience and no proper gunsmith tools.
 
An old test for APPRENTICES in the OLD SCHOOL ERA, was to take a block of Steel, a set of files,

and a Toolmakers Square, and file out a Perfect 1" Cube, then turn the 1" cube to a 1" Ball or Sphere.

A Master in the old Trade Guilds was truly a Master of his Craft.

Very good analysis and summary of where we are today and why we can look forward to less and less craftsmanship at any price.

However your story about the old entry test of precision filing was a bit different than I heard it told though the message is pretty much the same. I had heard that Harry Pope used to ask new help to take a round steel ball bearing and file it into a perfect square cube. That the cube had to be a minimum size and the job had to be completed within a certain time. This was back when real accuracy was found in the Schuetzen world and the rifles were built mostly with files and stones to create true precision fitted parts. These old guns are still amazingly accurate today in the right hands. Names like Pope, Schalk, Zischang, Shoyen and many many more could take raw stock and make target rifles with hand tools.

If you ever get a chance to watch a guy like Ron Power with a file you will immediately see an older generation gunsmith using a tool that today is rarely used with much precision. Power can take a file make a quick pass and maintain a true cut and tell you if took .0005" more or less. You can check with a mic and he is almost always dead nut on. I watched him face a cylinder once with a big file and he took about .008-.010" off the face and it was again dead nut on. This may sound simple to some but controlling a file and maintaining a true cut is not that easy.
 
Like the above poster 2152HQ stated all the hoops to jump through you are setting youself to having to deal with county planners if your outside the city limits and if you are in the city you have to deal with city council people who are not generally pleased to have folks like us in a business like firearms fixers or sellers, some of them can make you want to just walk away from dealing with rules they can make for you to try to meet. Jeff
 
The NRA sponsored gunsmith classes are offered at I think 6 different schools across the country. 1 or 2 week classes only on one specific topic. I have known guys to spend all summer just taking classes and working on projects. They have been very helpful to me.
 
Ok, here are more questions. I am realizing that a hardcore gunsmith is not for me. I am learning that an armorer or a "parts changer" and gun cleaner is more of what I am trying to do for some supplemental income. However, I am learning that an armorers course is for military and police. I am neither of those. How do I obtain this "basic" level of knowledge?
 
Some of the schools offer short courses on specific guns that are similar to armorers courses.

You can also buy the AGI videos, and buy the very excellent Jerry Kuhnhausen shop manuals sold by Brownell's and midway.
These were written as training aids for gunsmithing students and address a specific brand or type gun.
The shop manuals are particularly good because they go into deep detail, and show work the way the factory does it, not in some jack leg way.

To be clear...you CAN make a living as a gunsmith.
You can often do well working for someone else who owns the business, so you spend 8 hours a day doing gunsmithing, and he takes care of all the paper work.

You can also make a living as a self employed gunsmith, but you have to be the sort of person willing to sacrifice a higher end life style for the trade.
You won't own the Rolex, the fine car, or the really nice house.
What you have to be is the type person who can get satisfaction out of the work itself. These kind of people are more rare, but they're usually the people known as true craftsmen.

It can be an excellent, very satisfying life, but you won't be rich.
 
Just FYI I got the pricing info for AGI for their pro gunsmith traing, not the armorers courses. They range from $4,997-$10,997.
 
Okay Simp, it's time to place your bets.
Step 1. Buy a S&W beater/shooter.
Step 2. Shoot & clean it.
Step 3. Pop the hood and see how it works. You'll need the proper screw drivers for this. Buy the Kunhausenn book and read it (over & over).
Step 4. Disassemble your gun and study each part. Learn how each part meshes with each other part to make the whole thing work.
Step 5. Put it back together, hold your breath, and shoot it some more.
Step 6. Explore the "smithing" threads of this forum every day for ideas, tips, and instructions.
Step 7. Repeat all of the above, over, & over, & over, & over...............
 
Along about the time Eisenhower became president I started taking my .22 rifle apart. Some years later my father, wondering if I would ever amount to anything, asked me if I might want to go to gunsmithing school. Even before Clint said it, I had some idea of my limitations and didn't think I was a businessman at heart. Amen. Eventually I got into law enforcement and so made my living with guns, in a way of speaking.

Along the way I got to know some pretty good gunsmiths, both full time and amateur, and learned from them. Took some armorer's courses, and worked on quite a few clunker guns. It's been fun, and I still putz around. Sometimes I want to claim Brownell's as a dependent.

The comments above are dead on, and echo exactly what was being said thirty and forty years earlier. If anything, things are tougher than they used to be and machinery more expensive. My son went from a kid nuts about airplanes to a 6000 hour plus pilot with ratings up the gazoo. Expensive as it was, I suspect it was cheaper than getting up and running as a gunsmith. And he gets to be outside more, has some choice about where he lives and goes, and sometimes gets paid well for it. Oh, and don't forget benefits. It helps a lot to have a wife working who can provide them.

That said, I love working on guns. For 99%+ of us it's best done as a great hobby while we keep our day jobs.
 
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