Hammer Dragging on Frame--Update & More Q's

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I opened up my Model 28, to install reduced power hammer and rebound springs. I noticed that there is quite a bit of rubbing on the left side of the hammer, as well as marring of the left side of the frame. Everything works fine, but I can feel a bit of drag or "grit", when I move the hammer back and forth. What is the recommended fix? I don't think I need to shim, as everything is tight (no side-to-side play) when gun is assembled.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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I have found that sometimes the hammer pivot pin is not exactly perpendicular to the frame. That may or may not be the case on your gun, you have to check it with a square. The DA sears are often not square, as mentioned above.

In this case, I would try the .002 hammer shim. If there is no side play, you may want to lightly file the hammer and trigger bosses on the sideplate. You will find that they are crooked anyway. Lay a fine single cut flat file over both bosses at the same time, and lightly file until they are mostly flat. That will straighten them out and make room for the shim.
 
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Thanks a lot, guys! I appreciate your replies.
I think I'll order a shim kit, and start there.
 
Installed some shims and I have more questions

I installed a .200 hammer shim, on the frame side. Hammer is way smoother!
Out of curiosity, I checked the trigger for drag. Sure enough, it was dragging on the side plate. I would imagine that could be caused by not-square DA shear, or even an off-angle hammer or trigger stud. I added a .200 shim to the trigger, on the side plate side. Everything feels great!

I am not an armorer (not even close!), but just a guy, who's willing to learn, able to buy a few tools, and not afraid to dive in. I've been reading Jerry Kuhnhaussen's book. There's a ton of great info in there, although I have to read multiple times to understand certain concepts.
He mentions shims (washers), but I didn't see anything addressing clearances for hammer-to-frame or hammer-to-side plate.


Now the questions:

it turns out there is some side play in the hammer, even with the shim installed. Should I shim the other side, or leave well enough alone? I couldn't find any tolerances listed.

I did not see anything that mentions how to deal with a stud that's not square, and I'm not sure that's an issue, anyway. Besides, I don't have an easy way to measure that, currently. I would guess that i need to build a shim base as high as the boss, before I could get an accurate reading from a square. (of course I could cut the corner off the square...) If the stud(s) is (are) not square, am I due for troubles down the road? will the off-center stud cause a weird-shaped hole in the hammer or trigger?

If the DA shear is not cut straight, how difficult of a job is that, and what tools are required?

Thank you for any advice or suggestions.
 
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You have asked a bunch of good questions. I will give my best answers to a few of them.

Regarding whether to shim the hammer for side play, I personally stop working when my actual problems are fixed. You had a problem with the hammer rubbing in a way that noticeably affected the action. That problem is fixed, and you have not made any non-reversable changes. So this is a good time to stop.

Some people continually chase perfect specs, but that is not always a good thing. A pistol which performs very well, but has a little play in the right places, may be less affected by dirt, and therefore more reliable in the long term. I do not try to tighten revolvers if they are within proper specs and working well.

An alternative view is that testing with shims is non-destructive, so it is fine to add another shim and see if you notice an improvement. In the worst case, you just remove the shim and there is no harm done. If you are enjoying working on the gun, there is nothing wrong with this course. I will mention again though, that tighter is by not always better. And the feel can be deceptive if the gun is impeccably clean in the workshop.

Regarding the double action sear, try using a sharpie marker to examine the wear pattern and see if it is square. Mark the sear and the trigger with a sharpie marker. Then assemble the revolver and work the action. Then take it apart and see where the parts touch. Be aware that when you begin examining parts this way, hardly anything is ever really square. So an uneven pattern does not mean you need to "fix" things with a stone. But if you do want to adjust something, the wear patterns tell you exactly where to do it.

If you want to remove the sharpie marker, it will clean off metal with rubbing alcohol. Or if it is out of sight, you can just ignore it.

As an example about parts fitting, on one of my revolvers, the double action sear was only making a thin line of contact on one edge, and the hammer was rubbing on one side. I stoned just enough to get a bit more than a millimeter of smooth contact on one side of the sear and trigger, and that was enough to resolve the issue, so I stopped. I did not try to stone it until the wear pattern looked "good." The pattern still looked pretty poor when I stopped, but it was much better than it had been, and the problem was resolved, so to me that was enough.
 
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Excellent advice, Lefty Jake!
Thank you, so much, for the detailed response.
 
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You can buy or borrow a miniature Starrett or B&S, Lufkin, etc. Machinists Square to determine if the Studs are exactly 90º to the Frame. If they are just ever-so slightly off, I'd leave them alone at this point. That is because metal "takes a set" wears a certain way and if you move it at a point where things are already worn in, you might have to re-adjust other parts which might cause more harm than good! If they are noticeably off, then yes the problem should be addressed by a competent Gunsmith.

From the pictures you posted and if it were mine I'd gently stone off the burrs, try shims and lightly lube. Test it out and see if that has improved your issue to the point all is good. If the problem has not been satisfactorily resolved then it should be addressed by a competent GS.

Do NOT dry fire a Revolver with the side plate off. The Hammer can move up on the Stud and chip the Frame. I also do not like putting strain on the Studs while they are not retained in place by the Sideplate as well. That in itself could cause them to move slightly and cause the very problem you are seeking to remedy. Studs are press fit in and can loosen of a Revolver is dry fired with the Sidelplate off.

IMHO stoning the contact surfaces can temporarily improve the engagement to be more positive, however stoning through the hardened thin outer surface will accelerate wear going forward. IMHO that is a last resort procedure meant for push-off and other issues.
 
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Chief38, thank you for your reply! You make some excellent points.
I always back off the strain screw, before removing the side plate, and only move the hammer back and forth, with my fingers, to check fit and "feel", before re-assembling everything, and actually dry-firing the weapon.
I will look to purchase a miniature machinist square to add to my tool assortment.
 
Chief38, thank you for your reply! You make some excellent points.
I always back off the strain screw, before removing the side plate, and only move the hammer back and forth, with my fingers, to check fit and "feel", before re-assembling everything, and actually dry-firing the weapon.
I will look to purchase a miniature machinist square to add to my tool assortment.

Ebay is a great source for gently used Starrett, Brown & Sharp, Lufkin, etc. I've bought Machinists tools on ebay that were 25% of their original cost! True Machinists are as scarce as honest politicians and when they are gone, typically their stuff winds up on ebay or at auctions.

They make a few different miniature sizes (get the very smallest one) and I would be happy to measure mine for you however I just moved into our new home 3 days ago and have not unpacked that box yet - Hell, don't even know where it is right now! :eek:
 

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