Handgun in another city or destination

[BC38]

That may be a Fact in your State.

But it totally outside the facts in at least half of America

We still do not even know if what you fear is actually Law where you live or not since you still choose not to enlighten us on that issue, even though I have asked you twice (three times if you count this post)

If your fears are based on actual events that have occurred to people in your State, by all means feel free to direct us to the News stories of those events.

I have no desire to debate beliefs or fears of what might happen.

I am sorry that I have angered you

You keep trying to paint me as angry. To what purpose? To discount what I'm saying? I assure you I am not the least bit angry. Incredulous at your naivete', yes. Angry, no.

And for the third time, it isn't about the law in Washington or Arizona, or Florida, or any specific state. It is about what has been happening in the other "half of America". The half that 95% of us on this forum disagree with. The half that wants to disarm us all. Or are you also naive enough to believe that "other half" doesn't exist?

I pulled up and posted names of numerous individuals that were prosecuted for self defense in my last post. You do know about what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse, and George Zimmerman, right? Those are just two FAMOUS examples. There are lots more, many of which never even rate more than a passing mention in the media because the defendant can't fight back and takes a plea.

Go ahead, stick your head in the sand if you like. People DO get prosecuted for defending themselves, and the Rittenhouse case is a great example. One of the things the prosecution made a big deal about was that he had traveled out of state to be where he was when he shot his attacker. It wasn't illegal, but the prosecution tried to use it to paint him in a bad light. IIRC they initially also tried to say it was a borrowed gun - it actually wasn't as I recall - IIRC it was his rifle, but it was being stored at someone else's home - incidentally in a state other than where he resided. Again, not illegal, but that didn't matter to the prosecution. They were throwing everything they could against the wall trying to make something "stick".

Do ya' see where that COMPLICATED his situation?

THAT is what I am talking about - and it ain't purely theoretical. It has already happened.

 

[BAM-BAM]

As a lawyer friend of mine often reminds me...

We operate in a "Court of Law not a court of Justice"

This thread is full of "I think", "I feel"!

To the OP find a Lawyer that actually knows the Gun Laws in the states.. most lawyers don't have any idea what is and isn't "legal" they and you need to know both Federal and State(s) law..... then you've got DA and their interpretation and how they will prosecute.

Don't take advice off the internet...... being "wrong" can be very expensive!!!!!!

 

[Doug M.]

I follow firearm laws reasonably closely, but there is no way to be familiar with all laws all the time unless you are paid to do so. That said, I know no law that says you can't leave your own property properly secured someplace and make use of it. Getting it there without driving it is likely a pain, and you certainly can't do an FFL transfer to yourself in another state.

I have not flown in a while, and it is not likely to be feasible for me in the near future. I have not even gone out of state in almost 4 years, due to COVID risk and then dialysis. I usually take multiple firearms and ammo in the car.

The question asked is a non-issue as far as I know, especially if you have a current LEOSA qualification. I would also NEVER ask a complex legal question of anyone but a lawyer (I am one and cannot give a completely sound answer to this), and I would avoid asking such things in an open forum.

For good measure, assuming you were asked who owns the gun, which is at best a tangential issue, it is in fact yours and any paper trail will show that.

 

[Neumann]

Checking a firearm in baggage is relatively low risk. It must be in a separate, locked metal case, which I attach to the roller handle inside the suitcase.

It has an interesting advantage, should the suitcase be lost or mishandled. Mine was left on the tarmac in Florida one time. Back in Chicago, I notified customer service of the fact, and intimated that I should contact the FBI. The suitcase was on my doorstep by special courier the next morning.

 

[ispcapt]

How about just a few instances of people being prosecuted for defending themselves?

Does the name Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell?
How about George Zimmerman?
Jose Alba?
Marissa Alexander?
Kory Mattox?
Tracy McCarter?
Mark and Patricia McCloskey?

Like I said, I'm no lawyer - so asking me to cite the law is at best a rhetorical argument.

HOWEVER, it doesn't take more than a couple of minutes to find LOTS of examples of people who were prosecuted when they acted in self defense - though (fortunately) not all were convicted. Especially when they used a gun to defend themselves.

You're way off on what the question the OP is asking. Stay on topic and not venture off into make believe land or something you imagine is true. The voices you hear in your head aren't true. None of those names has anything to do with the question posed by the OP. Not in the least.
The OP is asking about leaving one of their firearms in another state with someone who is legally allowed to possess a firearm. You're coming up with all kinds of fantasy stories you imagine that have no relevance to the OP's inquiry.
Show any of us a statute where it is illegal for a person to leave a firearm in another state with someone who is legally allowed to possess a firearm. That is what the OP is asking.
It's quite obvious you're neither a lawyer nor anyone who has any legal training or knowledge. If you knew even a little bit about the law, not what you think the law is, then it wouldn't be difficult for you to cite a statute. But instead you go on your "rant" and proclaim it as fact. If you can't follow the topic what the OP asked then yes, it is nothing more than a "rant" and nothing based on fact.
Cite the statute that answers the OP's question if you know it to be illegal.
It's always amazing when someone who doesn't have a clue about laws, couldn't find a law in the statutes, has never investigated a crime, nor most likely had never been in court thinks they're a legal expert without citing any facts. You show you don't know anything about laws without having to say you don't know anything about law.

 

[sigp220.45]

Some of you guys have been gobbling up too much of what the CCW insurance pimps are peddling.

Show me a case where someone was prosecuted for using a borrowed gun in an otherwise good shooting. I’ll wait.

 

[BE Mike]

When I was on active duty, I left firearms with a family member when I was sent overseas. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that many active duty military members have done the same. When I retired, I moved all my guns by U-Haul, left them with a family member and went back to the residence that I was moving from (in another state) to have movers move everything else. I wasn't involved in any shooting incidents, but in the first instance the house was burglarized while they were attending a funeral. Luckily they arrived back home just in time to see the burglar flee out the back door. My guns were piled up by the privacy fence. The police weren't concerned that the guns belonged to me and not my family member.

 

[ladder13]

“Effective December 1, 2011, North Carolina automatically recognizes concealed carry permits issued in any other state. Out-of-state permit holders should familiarize themselves with North Carolina’s laws.”

NC also is OC.

There is no gun registration, private sales are still legal.

You can leave your gun with me and pick it up when you arrive.

 

[BC38]

You're way off on what the question the OP is asking. Stay on topic and not venture off into make believe land or something you imagine is true. The voices you hear in your head aren't true. None of those names has anything to do with the question posed by the OP. Not in the least.
The OP is asking about leaving one of their firearms in another state with someone who is legally allowed to possess a firearm. You're coming up with all kinds of fantasy stories you imagine that have no relevance to the OP's inquiry.
Show any of us a statute where it is illegal for a person to leave a firearm in another state with someone who is legally allowed to possess a firearm. That is what the OP is asking.
It's quite obvious you're neither a lawyer nor anyone who has any legal training or knowledge. If you knew even a little bit about the law, not what you think the law is, then it wouldn't be difficult for you to cite a statute. But instead you go on your "rant" and proclaim it as fact. If you can't follow the topic what the OP asked then yes, it is nothing more than a "rant" and nothing based on fact.
Cite the statute that answers the OP's question if you know it to be illegal.
It's always amazing when someone who doesn't have a clue about laws, couldn't find a law in the statutes, has never investigated a crime, nor most likely had never been in court thinks they're a legal expert without citing any facts. You show you don't know anything about laws without having to say you don't know anything about law.

Yeah, thread drift is fact of life. You've been around here long enough to know that. Sorry if it upsets you, but it is what it is.

 

[BC38]

Some of you guys have been gobbling up too much of what the CCW insurance pimps are peddling.

Show me a case where someone was prosecuted for using a borrowed gun in an otherwise good shooting. I’ll wait.

Just curious, but are you of the opinion that the cases the "CCW insurance pimps" share to justify the need for CCW insurance are just fictional stories? Are they fables made up out of thin air? Do you believe those people and their stories of being prosecuted for defending themselves didn't really happen?

I don't have CCW insurance myself, but I've seriously considered it.

Kyle Rittenhouse was unjustly prosecuted, and even found not guilty. But his assailant's family is still suing him for wrongful death. Kinda makes the CCW insurance look like a reasonable proposition IMO.

But as always, YMMV.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

I don't fly when I travel so what I do has nothing to do with nothing but I just carry everywhere I go regardless of state lines.

 

[LostintheOzone]

I would probably contact the AZ Attorney General’s office for a legal opinion, and possibly the city or county attorney where your sister resides.

If AZ is anything like WA, the AG's office won't give you legal advice. I've had some luck in NM calling the sheriff's office about the legality of doing some recreational shooting with a restricted person using my firearm. They said no bueno.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Well, if the firearm is used in self-defense, the owner will have a lot of explaining to do which could be a legal nightmare and reality. I am guessing that he'll have to explain how the firearm crossed the border if he is flying back and forth. Do you suppose a good investigator will not verify flight records and so on? Also, what would happen if the firearm is stolen from his daughter's place of residence? ... and then is used in a serious crime?? Something to consider for sure.

I think it's better to travel with the firearm legally (even though it's a pain in the *) ...every time the owner wants to visit his daughter's state of residence. I think leaving his firearm in another state is not a good idea. I think there are too many things that could go wrong. Yes, it all sounds like an inconvenience, but it's much better to establish good credibility in the beginning, rather than wait and deal with the proverbial fan if things go south.

Well, that is just my two cents worth.

Well, if the firearm is used in self-defense, the owner will have a lot of explaining to do which could be a legal nightmare and reality.

That would be my worry also. Gun is stolen from your daughters house or used in a shooting. Just as I wouldn't leave a firearm any place except in my own personal vehicle or home, I wouldn't leave it with a relative or a friend. That's asking for trouble.

I have some personal experience with that one. My gun was in WY where I left it, and was used in a shooting while I was in WA. Got a call from the city prosecutor and almost ended up being subpoenaed..... because it was my gun. No fun, believe me.

It would be much better if you borrowed a gun from your daughter, law permitting, while you were there. You get the picture.

 

[Doug M.]

You might have been a witness to the fact that the firearm was not legitimately in the possession of the shooter. There is virtually no difference between that and being a witness to the fact that your car was stolen (taken without permission) and used in another crime.

I do this stuff for a living and have never seen any of the fear monger events that have shown up in the responses. I won't say it can't happen, because some states and prosecutors are bat poop crazy, but ...

As for asking government lawyers (AG or local) for guidance, most if not all are restricted to advising government officials, and many of them have no idea what the answers might be for a scenario such as this. As a general rule, I have nothing but contempt (if that) for the Washington AG and a large part of his office. Most of the competent government lawyers I know have the same view.

 

[LostintheOzone]

You might have been a witness to the fact that the firearm was not legitimately in the possession of the shooter. There is virtually no difference between that and being a witness to the fact that your car was stolen (taken without permission) and used in another crime.

I do this stuff for a living and have never seen any of the fear monger events that have shown up in the responses. I won't say it can't happen, because some states and prosecutors are bat poop crazy, but ...

As for asking government lawyers (AG or local) for guidance, most if not all are restricted to advising government officials, and many of them have no idea what the answers might be for a scenario such as this. As a general rule, I have nothing but contempt (if that) for the Washington AG and a large part of his office. Most of the competent government lawyers I know have the same view.

Not sure if that was in response to what I posted. If it wasn't, and I apologize for assuming it was, but neither of those scenarios applied to my situation. I would like to tell the story but it just isn't relevant now. Laws have changed in both states.

 

[BC38]

If AZ is anything like WA, the AG's office won't give you legal advice. I've had some luck in NM calling the sheriff's office about the legality of doing some recreational shooting with a restricted person using my firearm. They said no bueno.

NO is always the default, "easy" answer for those employed by any government agency.

It's always easier (and safer) to say NO than to actually find/figure out what the law actually says.

 

[sigp220.45]

Just curious, but are you of the opinion that the cases the "CCW insurance pimps" share to justify the need for CCW insurance are just fictional stories? Are they fables made up out of thin air? Do you believe those people and their stories of being prosecuted for defending themselves didn't really happen?

I don't have CCW insurance myself, but I've seriously considered it.

Kyle Rittenhouse was unjustly prosecuted, and even found not guilty. But his assailant's family is still suing him for wrongful death. Kinda makes the CCW insurance look like a reasonable proposition IMO.



But as always, YMMV.

Yes. They are full of ****. They have a product to sell.

Which of these cases involved a borrowed gun? That’s what we’re tslikng about.

 

[LostintheOzone]

NO is always the default, "easy" answer for those employed by any government agency.

It's always easier (and safer) to say NO than to actually find/figure out what the law actually says.

A better answer is I'm not at liberty to discuss that.

I worked for a county agency for 30 years. Anything you say can and will be used against you. I hated the fact that I couldn't speak freely with the public that paid me. I had contact with the public everyday. That's just something you can't do if you want to keep your job. But I knew some things that were never conveyed to the public by anyone. Just wasn't in my job description.

 

[pantannojack]

The only reason it wouldn’t be legal is if it’s some stupid commie state that requires some kind of unconstitutional registration. In Oklahoma it would be no problem.

I choose to never set foot in such a prison. Long Live Ok.

 

[pantannojack]

I would never admit to accepting or giving to someone from or in another state. Think 5A.