HAS ANYONE NOT HAD PROBLEMS?
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Steve
Steve,
I have a DVA with around 1000 rounds through it.
Fed Bulk
Rem Gold
Winchester Wildcat
CCI Minimags
CCI Tactical
Federal Target Grade Performance
CCI Blazer
OK..ready....
Not one hiccup!!!!! Even the Rem gold{which I hate} ran perfect.
My favorites are Fed bulk and the very best is the relatively new
CCI Tactical.
Once I found what the gun liked the most I went out and bought thousands of rounds.
This gun is a wicked blast to shoot.
It's even fun to clean!
My only recommendation is to buy more mags for it.
I'm up to five and want more. But I have 75 AR mags so that isn't a good indicator for me.
The only finicky thing is the loading of the mags is pretty fussy.
Don't worry. When you get your gun, go slow and watch what it likes for about 100 rounds, then shoot the hell out of it.
M
Steve,
I have a DVA with around 1000 rounds through it.
Fed Bulk
Rem Gold
Winchester Wildcat
CCI Minimags
CCI Tactical
Federal Target Grade Performance
CCI Blazer
OK..ready....
Not one hiccup!!!!! Even the Rem gold{which I hate} ran perfect.
My favorites are Fed bulk and the very best is the relatively new
CCI Tactical.
Once I found what the gun liked the most I went out and bought thousands of rounds.
This gun is a wicked blast to shoot.
It's even fun to clean!
My only recommendation is to buy more mags for it.
I'm up to five and want more. But I have 75 AR mags so that isn't a good indicator for me.
The only finicky thing is the loading of the mags is pretty fussy.
Don't worry. When you get your gun, go slow and watch what it likes for about 100 rounds, then shoot the hell out of it.
M
I have a DVA also. I had problems with when I got to round 180-200. I was getting 1 failure to fire in each 10 round magazine for a while and thought it was the gun but I just had a bad box of Blazers apparently. Shot 400-500 with CCI Minimags (HP & round nose), a few of my cousin's remington gold, Winchester Super-X after that without a single problem.
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yeah that sounds great and i agree about the mags but ive only ordered 1 spare as the mags are $60 each here in the UK.
im feeling allot more positive about my purchase since starting this thread
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Don't worry about only having one spare mag....you'll save ammo cuz you'll be loading more often....
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GeoffSFAs10
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Nope, not a single problem here. I think mine is a DTH serial. It gobbles ups Feberal bulk like no other. I have 5 magazines for it, which kinda sucks because 1.) it takes 20 minutes to load them all 2.) they all UNLOAD in about a minute. haha.
disturbed0013
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Got a Duu close to 8000 rds and not one problem, other than getting reloaders thumb use cci minimags only
How do you figure 30% have had problems?
Maybe 30% of the 15-22 forum visitors, a group of individuals by the very fact they are here are looking for answers to problems or are looking to give answers to problems.
In no way does an internet forum accurately represent the scope of an issue with a product. Compare the number of active M&P 15-22 subforum members(with 15-22 problems) with the total number of 15-22s manufactured since release.
I think you will find the defect rate substantially smaller than 30%.
How would you imagine a product with 30% defect rate would win the Shooting Industry Rifle of the Year Award?
thats what i was meaning, 30% of the people here. its slowed down a lot since they started sending out updated rifles though. not as many complaints coming in so thats good. I still cant figure out how this gun won rifle of the year award though.
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There have been 298 15-22 owners polled. At the time of polling, 39 indicated they came to the Forum because they had problems with their rifle. Let's just toss those out of the equation.
47 indicated their rifle was working fine or had no known problems when they came to the Forum but later had problems.
212 indicated their rifle was working fine when they came to the Forum and as of polling had no problems since.
So.... out of 259 random happy Forum campers, 47 later had problems with their rifle as of the time they took the poll (18%). Now consider that there are folks like Brett who was part of the 212 but has since had problems with his rifle. So that 18% number is low.
Many polls are conducted of just a few hundred folks for an entire nation. 100% of all 15-22 owners around the globe need not be polled to get a fair idea of how the rifle performs.
As far as Rifle Of The Year... do you know what the criteria are for Rifle Of The Year? I don't. But my hunch is that it isn't likely based upon the 15-22 having superior accuracy and reliability compared to all other .22s. Probably it has more to do with units sold for a new product or something along those lines. 15-22 competed against the Bushmaster ACR and Savage Model 16. The Optic of the year was a $149 Redfield scope... which beat the $2,500 SWAROVISION binoculars.
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CPTBeaker
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That's correct if it's a random poll. If you randomly ask 15-22 owners then the poll is representative. An internet forum is anything but a random sampling because the concentration of people that visit most forums are looking for support or information. That very fact sways the sampling towards those with a problem.
A majority of consumers don't visit support forums unless they want to solve a problem or look something up. If you assume 100,000 15-22 owners exist and that there is a 30% defect rate, that would equate to 30,000 defect guns. If only 5% of those 30,000 owners (with or without a problem) visit the forum, that would be ~5,000 unique visitors.
I don't have forum stats available since I'm not a moderator/administrator, but how many S&W forum members only frequent the 15-22 subforum and have actually posted a problem issue on the subforum?
If only 20% of the 5% (i.e. 5,000) that visit, posted a problem issue, there should be 1000 unique 'problem' posters in this subforum. In order to be representative, everyone with a problem that visits the forum must post their issue(s). I've visited forums to look up a solution and never posted. I'll concede that the problem may very well be big, just not that the forum is an accurate representation.
It's pointless to drag this on because only S&W knows the real defect % for comparison to the poll here, and both of our arguments make some assumptions. I've also spent enough time on firearm forums to realize that it's pointless to argue with anyone with 1000 or more posts or a moderator because they are never wrong.
Besides, what's the big deal with the defect concern anyways? If there is a legitimate safety issue, then a real recall is definitely appropriate. Granted, for those that have had a problem, the problem is real to them. I have full confidence that any current American firearm manufacturer (i.e S&W) would institute a safety recall when appropriate. Ruger has had several recently. For all other issues, that's what warranty service is for and S&W's is top notch!
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stevelee24:
Get one.
I have seen and shot several in the Netherlands.
Can go in to lenghts about how well they preform, it will be a boring and all to familiar story. Apparently, we're getting the good ones.
The MOE version also has surfaced.
No worries, mate.
Get one.
I have seen and shot several in the Netherlands.
Can go in to lenghts about how well they preform, it will be a boring and all to familiar story. Apparently, we're getting the good ones.
The MOE version also has surfaced.
No worries, mate.
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Remember, I said let's toss out all those who said they began posting on the Forum because they were searching for support for problems with their rifles. "39 indicated they came to the Forum because they had problems with their rifle. Let's just toss those out of the equation."
The other 259 were posting on the Forum when their rifles were operating fine and had no known problems. Of those 259, 47 later experienced problems with their rifle. Why would any other group of 259 well operating 15-22 rifles suffer a lower or higher number of subsequent problems?
No big deal concerns here. In the other thread I suggested that he go ahead and get a 15-22 and post a pic of it.
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have had mine about a year...no problem whatsoever...
true_shooter
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somewhere around 20k rounds and i can count the number of failure to feeds and ejects on one hand
