Hawaii may enter gun owners into a Fed database

[dougb1946]

USA would consider database a vital component of homeland security.

Firearms may be considered and existential threat to the state and public safety because they can be used to threaten the citizens and power of the state.

ANYTHING that threatens the power of the state is to be considered a risk in risk analysis. New tech, new social behaviors, groups etc.

It is what China does and what any state will do to protect it's people and it's existence.

I think such a database IS the goal of the democrats and certain government agencies. It is only bad if they decide to use it to eviscerate our rights.

This is why we have to be engaged in government EVERY day.

The founders feared an overly powerful and intrusive federal government. The 2A was seen as a way of ensuring the states were able to counterbalance the power of the federal govt. Letting the feds change the rules kind of defeats the whole purpose. It's not like money was speech or corporations were people or that we had a DHS watching all or that we let super pacs sway elections, or even had a Patriots Act.

 

[dougb1946]

Well, I haven't seen any mention in the news about this since about June 1.

No word whether the bill cleared the legislature, or it's stuck in committee, or what. Haven't seen anything about Governor Ige signing it into law, either. So who knows what the current story on this is?

I'm sure everyone agrees that this is a bad, bad idea. Besides, Hawaii already requires a permit to purchase a handgun, so they have all that information available anyway, to any law enforcement agency who requests access to it.

Truth be known, if you've completed a 4473 in Hawaii, or any other state, you're already in someone's database. Probably more than one. That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

I know that no gun owner and/or member of this forum is naive enough to believe that all that 4473 data just sits on some gun shop's shelves for x-number of years with no one ever looking at it. And that thing about 4473 information being confidential is just a myth.

Your phone provider and your credit card issuers have complete files of your activities and travels, and the DHS does have access. Stores want to tie this info in with facial recognition software and tailor advertising to you when you walk into a store. That is scary.

 

[Lewieke]

Where I live in Europe, virtually any official is against weapons in the hands of civilians. Legal gun owners get checked regularly, there's a lot of legislation to respect, lots of rules, ... . The criminals don't ask anything, they just buy Balcan stuff or weapons from Turkey. Every time sth happens with illegal guns, the legal owner takes the beating.

 

[Watchdog]

Hawaii may enter gun owners into a Fed database

Apparently, this has now been signed into law in Hawaii.

 

[YogiBear]

It is Law

Aloha,

Yes, the Governor has signed the bill and it is law.

The local State Hawaii Rifle Assn. may challenge it.

Nothing has been said yet about challenging it.

We can't wait to leave Hawaii.