Help with me the correct identity

[Big Ranch]

I hope I have this in the correct forum...

Please help me verify the identity of a couple of 5 screws...

I love these old Smiths…I just can't help myself. I am still fairly new, so I have trouble identifying the exact model. The older ones all look like pre model 10's to me!

That being said, I bought both of these within the last few weeks, but I haven't had a chance to post them. The first is a Model 12 (according to the seller). The grips have the serial number (C1800XX), which matches the gun, stamped inside. It is a pretty clean 5 screw. Is it a Model 12? Any idea to what year it was made and what the approximate value would be?

The second one is a Model 1905, again, according to the seller. The grips are not original. The serial number is S8382XX. It is also a pretty clean 5 screw. I would also like to know if it really a Model 1905 (maybe a 4th change), what year it was made, and about what it would be worth. If anyone could post a picture of the correct grips for this gun, I would appreciate it. I think I know what they look like, but I have no idea as to their correct name.

Sorry, I'm not the best photographer. I could only get one picture of the 1905(?) to load.

Thanks for help.

 

[Muley Gil]

If your revolver has an aluminum frame, it is a pre M12. Check it with a magnet.

Your second revolver is a Military and Police or pre M10. "S" serial numbers are post WW II. It looks like it has the short action, so it is not a 1905. It should have grips like the pre M12.

IMHO, values would be in the $250-400 range.

 

[DCWilson]

Nice guns.

The older one is is a postwar Military & Police from 1948. It probably came with diamond magna stocks like the ones on this gun (a snubbie M&P from January 1948).

S&W did make a gun called the Model 12, but your other gun is not one of those. Model designations did not come along until 1957, and this gun is from a few years earlier, probably 1951/52. The Model 12 was a lightweight version of the Model 10, but with a 2" barrel (rarely 4", apparently). Your gun looks like a Pre-Model 10 (not airweight) with a 5" barrel. Those stocks look like they might be original to the gun. Look on the inside right panel to see if it has the same serial number as the frame.

 

[Big Ranch]

It isn't a model 12

A magnet sticks to the frame, so it isn't aluminum...thanks for the tip

 

[Babalooie]

The frame on the first one does not appear to be an anodized aluminum version, so it wouldn't be a model 12. Most likely, it would be a pre-model 10. The multi-line address was first used after WW2. I have a pre-model 10 with serial number C58XXX and it was shipped in 1949. The C prefix was used until the 1960's, I think.

The second one may be a pre-model 10 also, a little earlier than the first. The S prefix denotes the hammer block safety, if I remember correctly. Does it have a one line or multi-line address on the right side?

They're both nice guns.

 

[linde]

I believe your first revolver is a 5" Military & Police pre-model 10 . . . rather than a pre-model 12 Airweight. I say that based on appearance and the 5" barrel length. C 1800XX would make it a circa l951 gun. As Muley Gil indicated, check it with a magnet.

Your second one is a 6" Military & Police but an earlier post-WWII with the long hammer throw. S 8322XX would make it about a circa 1946 vintage.

Both appear to be in very good condition.

Russ

 

[Big Ranch]

Those stocks look like they might be original to the gun. Look on the inside right panel to see if it has the same serial number as the frame.

Yes, the are number to the gun.

 

[Big Ranch]

The second one may be a pre-model 10 also, a little earlier than the first. The S prefix denotes the hammer block safety, if I remember correctly. Does it have a one line or multi-line address on the right side?

The address is printed on top of the barrel and is two lines.

 

[Big Ranch]

Value

Anybody have a thought on the approximate value of these?

 

[linde]

Anybody have a thought on the approximate value of these?

The M&P revolver (with various engineering changes) has been made continuously since 1899 so their current value does not generally reflect a rare or even scarce component. I believe over four million have been made.

Both of your M&Ps appear to be in very good condition and . . . with the exception of the grips on the S-prefix one . . . appear to be all original. Condition and originality of the guns are both pluses in your case, but the lack of the original diamond magna grips on the S-prefix will be a negative.

Without seeing more than just the pictures you've posted, I would value them in the $350 to $425 range.

Russ

 

[Big Ranch]

Thanks, Russ. The $ range you gave was what I thought as well.