Help with my(new to me) snub nose 38 special

dankleinman

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hello I picked up a nice little smith and wesson snub nose 5 shot 38 special today at a yard sale and was wondering if anyone could help me out . Its not like my other pistol as far as the way its marked. the serial number is only 5 digits and no letters 260xx on the cylinder arm is the letter A then below that is 94 25 7 it also has a flatter cylinder release than my 14-2 4in heavy barrel. I am not sure how to get pictures to post on here but I will look into it . also I can send them via email if someone needs them to figure it out

any info would be great

thanks


dan
 
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Welcome to the forum. It is most likely an early Chiefs Special. Someone will tell you the approximate date of manufacture if the serial number is correct. Is that from the bottom of the butt?
 
yes I am 100% sure that's the serial number from the butt of the weapon it is 5 digits with no letters . I forgot to add that it does not have the adjustable sight on the rear just the one thats built in


thanks for the fast reply




dan.
 
Is the front sight round of ramped? You need to figure out if it has a round or extended trigger guard. Look at some photos of recent model 36s and compare trigger guards.
 
A lot of grown men on this forum are going to cry if you found a 'Baby Chief' at a yard sale. I will be one of them. Seriously, photos will tell the tale, and there are lots of genuine experts here who will gladly help you out.

Oh, yeah... Welcome to the forum!!!
 
Welcome to the forum.

You no doubt have a Baby Chiefs Spl with ramp front sight and barrel rib from the 1st quarter of 1953 as DWalt posted. It has the #1 style "flat latch".

Tons of pictures in this thread (yes, 'Chiefs' is spelled wrong): http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/87912-really-old-chiefs-special-thread.html

Evolution of the J frame here: "Model .38 Chiefs Special" http://smith-wessonforum.com/blogs/hondo44/104-simplified-chronology-model-38-chiefs-special.html
 
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Sorry it took so long but I had to work .
Here are a couple pictures I will take some better ones tomorrow if I can. Thanks for all the replies and I think I will be learning a lot from here . I have been super lucky with my finds as far as s&w weapons go. This is my second revolver the first one I bought was a Dayton 14-2 with the 4" barrel . Does anyone have an idea what the baby chiefs are worth? If in fact that is what this is

Thanks


Dan
 

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That is an exceptional looking little Chief. Without further inspection I'd guess it would bring in the vicinity of $550 - $600 in an auction. I'm sure you will get several more estimates. (Just a 60+ year old gun, can't be worth anything !!!!)
 
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You might do a search on this forum about Baby Chief. They represent about the first 46,000 made (until ca. early 1954), and have some frame differences from later ones. There is a significant following for the Baby, and they do demand a premium price, much more so if the original box and papers are present.
 
I'm not a specialized collector and can't swear that it's a "Baby" Chief, but it is certainly an early one. Note the smaller hammer and the really small flat cylinder release. Collectors like those features.

Personally, I prefer the later larger trigger guard, especially if I need gloves. I also like the larger hammer that soon evolved, and goodness knows, I like the stainless version, Model 60, even better.

But you have just hit the collectors here like a jolt from a whole pot of coffee, and you will probably get offers to buy this gun. Don't sell until you know just what you have and the presumed value.

Hey, if you like it and it shoots well for you, keep it. The only real caveat is that the factory doesn't recommend high velocity ammo (Plus P) until guns were marked with a model number, beginning in 1957-58, depending on the model and how many older frames were still in the production line.

Some dispute this, but I think a metallurgical change in .38 revolvers occurred then. Chic Gaylord, writing in 1960, noted that an S&W exec told him that the heavy barrel version of the basic Model 10 was made of a new and stronger steel. I think this probably applied to all steel frame .38's and to the cylinders of even Airweight models. However ONLY all steel guns were warranted for Plus P until quite recently, when advances in light metals and heat treating got that rating for some lightweight guns. Frequent use of Plus P ammo will eventually result in such wear as accelerated cylinder endshake. This occurs sooner in these small guns than in larger .38's.

It is often accepted that these early steel - framed Chief Specials will safely fire Plus P ammo, and famed gun scribe Elmer Keith even fired 500 rounds in an Airweight one, I believe. But Massad Ayoob stretched the frame on an Airweight Bodyguard, M-38, with just 500 rounds.

I cannot tell you to do something the factory doesn't endorse, but if that gun was mine, I'd fire a box or so of Plus P of my informed choice and thereafter only shoot it rarely to remain familiar with its impact and carry the hot load for defense. You don't need Plus P ammunition to shoot at paper targets, cans, etc.

That noise you hear is the collectors running to head you off from firing it at all. They like to stash such items in their safes and admire them for their historical value. This gun is a definite early step in the evolution of what became the most produced and admired snub-nosed .38 revolver of all time.

Take care of it. It's not only a good gun, it's history on the hoof.

I'm interested in this other gun that you have. I MAY know what it is, but please start a new thread about it with photos. I think you'll be interested in what you'd learn, if it's what it sounds like it may be. You seem to have a knack for acquiring unusual, sought-after firearms.

P.S. Does this gun definitely have a steel frame? It looks like it in the photo. The Airweight frame generally looks more black than blue, by comparison. I'm not sure just when Airweights arrived and some may have had these features. A specialized collector will probably be along soon, with more info.
 
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Sorry it took so long to get bact to this but work is kickin my butt...
It is all steel no aluminum (checked it with a magnet).
I am a little confused some say it is a baby some say its not . There is a long post about the old per 36's that says they should'nt be called per 36
Then I see some that are saying there's are 51-52 but have a later serial number than mine . But I was told that mine is first quarter 53 ........... ahhhhhhhg

But at least the guy at the local gun shop really really wants it . For his collection . Finally I have something he doesn't ...........lol
He can't have it moooohaha
 
Well to show you how little I know about the S&W Revolvers . I almost didn't buy it because of the funny looking flat latch. I thought it must have been replaced because all the other revolvers had one that looked ramped . And it was covered in some kind of nasty looking something . I really thought it had been rebluedbecause of all the swirly looking marks on it . I wish I had taken pictures of it before I sprayed it down and cleaned it up. The guy had 2 guns for sale that day . The first one he showed me was a chrome raven .25 with pearl grips and it was missing the clip. He proceed to tell me a story about how he had tried to use it to kill a raccoon in his attic but couldn't figure out why he kept missing it even though he was only 6 feet away. Lol . He said it did do a fine job of putting holes in the roof of the house . He had to have 200.00 for that one because I was shiney and pretty . And then he had this old revolver that he would have to have 150.00 for.
I figured it was worth that much even if it did have a funny looking latch and was probibbly reblued.so I gave the guy 150.00 bucks and took it home to play with . I have yet to shoot it but don't think there will be any problems when I do .
 
I am a little confused some say it is a baby some say its not. There is a long post about the old per 36's that says they should'nt be called per 36
Then I see some that are saying there's are 51-52 but have a later serial number than mine . But I was told that mine is first quarter 53 ........... ahhhhhhhg

Dan,

1.) You seem to be the source of your confusion, you have been given all the information and it is at your disposal. It's clearly a Baby J/Baby Chiefs as you've been advised. I'm sorry, but if you don't believe what's been posted, the least you can do is show enough courtesy to consult the sources of information members of this forum took time to share with you, as a courtesy to you. But you have to read it, otherwise you're just wasting our time. For example, re-read post #7 from way back on 9/21.

2.) It's not a "Pre 36" and the post you read explains why. There's no "S&W terms" police, so you can call it whatever you want. But if you do, you just can't expect anyone else to know which model/version you're referring to.

3.) S&W did not produce, sell, or ship their guns in serial number order to make it easy for later owners, as the S&W Historian, Roy Jinks, expalins, (so this is straight from the "horses mouth"). In fact no gun manufacturers do.

Now you know why guns with higher numbers than yours shipped earlier than yours. We can only provide you estimates based on known shipments of known serial numbers. If you want the exact date, he will send you a letter with the date for $50 if you request it and wait about 4 months.

Please help us help you this time....ahhhhhhg,
 
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass, Dan! That is a beautiful early Chief's Special in terrific condition. I can certainly understand why your compadre at the gun shop would want it for his collection.
 
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