Here's why new 3rd Gens are history

ladder13 said:
What is this $100 tax?
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GaryS said it right. :) Also known as the "Apex tax", it's the price we pay for living in a loony moonbat state with a loony moonbat AG enforcing her loony moonbat AG's Regs (handed down to her by previous loony AG's years ago). For whatever strange reason, it's mainly a tax on S&W plastic handguns as most other manufacturers seem to have found ways to provide at least a semi-workable trigger out of the box while keeping our AG happy. :o The fact that S&W is a Massachusetts-based business entity may have something to do with it. :rolleyes:
 
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rwsmith said:
Perhaps the quality drop in other areas could be explained by this concentration on putting out M&P pistols.
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That's just the world we live in today. Very few people actually care about the quality they put out any more. It's hard enough for me to order a cheeseburger with no pickle, no onion and have them get it right :mad:
 
I suppose the guy holding the shield (right of sign) is actually holding #1M. What's that cable like thing he has.

A million Shields! Wow what an accomplishment. Congratulations S&W.
 
I have had an M&P .40 Shield for two years now. I love the gun. Very accurate, great shooter!
 
WOW!!! That's crazy... my favorite gun.. I remember handling one of the 1st Shields at S&W..... my immediate thought was.... homerun!!! Never would have imagined 1,000,000 of them would be sold!!!
 
I have zero experience with the Shield line, never even handled one, but they get good reviews. I'm just not into plastic striker-fired pistols, personally, but they do seem to be one of the better performers in the category (maybe the best?).

I've certainly recommended them to people in the past (which also keeps the competition down in the CS9 market ;)).
 
you all made me go to range today and put my 4013TSW against my 40c with apex trigger since i payed Mass $92 tax and my 3913 vs 9 shield,kahr pm9. wait aint done yet, my pro series sub-compact against my 457. drum roll
results.(please tell me 18DIA isn't looking hate to lose a friend)
40c beat 4013
2) Kahr pm9
3) pro series sub compact. and the pro series beat them all for comfort and accuracy. sorry 18DAI,TTSH, and Gary S
 
only 10 rds each no malfunctions in any weapon. Using all my own hand loads
 
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tim c said:
funny the 1911 wins again after 104 years.
John Browning you was one hell of a genius.
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The 1911 also had a 104 year head start. Just like the 7.62x54 is still the oldest rifle caliber still in common use in the military.

Fair would be if the Shield was invented 104 years ago too
 
Arik said:
The 1911 also had a 104 year head start. Just like the 7.62x54 is still the oldest rifle caliber still in common use in the military.

Fair would be if the Shield was invented 104 years ago too
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I think he was comparing the Pro Series(1911 variant) to the 457 3rd Gen, not the Shield.
 
I think I read some were they can heat melt a m&p frame for something like what 15 cents.. and I would think making just half a gun by machining it, is a ton more cost effective then building one with a metal frame..
plastic frame guns are the norm, most of the new shooters and some of old guys jump on the band wagon and that another reason were at this plastic gun world.
but I wonder what the plastic will be like say another 30-40 years down the road... metal guns last forever.. plastic frame we'll have to see how it ages???
and its all down to different strokes for different folks..
me I keep going back to metal frame guns..3rd gen Smiths or Beretta 92's.
 
yes i compared calibers,sorry thought that was clear my fault
40,s vs 40,s 9mm vs 9mm and 45vs 45 i also had one more in there but i knew it would upset a few (4566)
 
3913 did out shoot shield and Kahr PM9 did have a crimson trace so that was a bit unfair but does fit best in pocket
 
Since I'm an old curmudgeon, I'm just going to say this...plastic frame guns are fine if you are of a mind to get rid of it after several years, like police departments do. If you plan to keep it for your lifetime and pass it down to your children, I doubt if I would want to shoot a plastic frame pistol after 40 or 50 years of shooting, (if they even hold up that long). Plastic frame pistols are only about 30 or 31 years old, (Glocks). Do any of you know anyone with a Glock from the 80's that fires it regularly? I'm not saying that they break or fall apart, I'm saying that I would not feel comfortable firing an "old" plastic frame pistol. I think that plastic frame pistols have not been around long enough to know what happens when they get old. All I have are steel and aluminum frame pistols and they are an average age of 39 years old. I've had no problems with them from day one, and plan to pass them on knowing that they will live on long after I'm gone.
 
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tim c said:
You all made me go to range today and put my 4013TSW against my 40c with apex trigger since I paid Mass $92 tax and my 3913 vs 9 shield, Kahr pm9. wait ain't done yet, my pro series sub-compact against my 457. drum roll results (please tell me 18DAI isn't looking hate to lose a friend):
1) 40c beat 4013
2) Kahr pm9
3) pro series sub compact and the pro series beat them all for comfort and accuracy. sorry 18DAI, TTSH, and GaryS
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Different strokes for different folks Tim. :D Not a problem at all. :)
 
Is it a million Shields, or a million M&P's total. I have a hard time believing that they have made 1 million Shields in 4 years.
 
I agree that metal is better and plastic may not last in long run just stating shooting facts as i saw them. maybe when i find a 4006 it will win i know i won't buy a Glock in 10mm so my 1006 is safe lol
 
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