Hi Powers

I think FEG is out of business. They made the Chas. Daly Hi-Powers imported here as well as FEG marked ones. I've read that the Browning used to shoot a Pope was a FEG faked to look like a Belgian gun.
Found my first FEG in a local shop the other day. Obviously old and used, but not horrible. The wood grips were in unusually excellent condition... perhaps replacements? Trigger on it was excellent... much better than the last BHP I found in a MA shop at over twice the price.

Price tag read $400.00. Probably little or no bargaining with this particular dealer. I must admit, I was tempted. :) I've added it to my 2017 Possibilities List. :D
 
Found my first FEG in a local shop the other day. Obviously old and used, but not horrible. The wood grips were in unusually excellent condition... perhaps replacements? Trigger on it was excellent... much better than the last BHP I found in a MA shop at over twice the price.

Price tag read $400.00. Probably little or no bargaining with this particular dealer. I must admit, I was tempted. :) I've added it to my 2017 Possibilities List. :D

Had a couple over the years ..... nice guns.... sold them when I was able to transition to a MkIII.... if I came across another I'd grab it for $400.

Case I ever needed a 'truck gun" :D


I'm serious grab it; worst case you can 'rent" it for $100
 
Had a couple over the years ..... nice guns.... sold them when I was able to transition to a MkIII.... if I came across another I'd grab it for $400.

Case I ever needed a 'truck gun" :D

I'm serious grab it; worst case you can 'rent" it for $100
Once again, I did a sweep of gun shops south of the border yesterday and am going up north of the border again today (mostly in search of "pre-ban" magazines). During my travels yesterday, I found one 1977 vintage BHP for a grand plus another FEG, although it was not an exact BHP copy. :eek: I now see that it was a P9R variant. :D Price on the latter was good for its decent condition ($339) but it just isn't the same as a BHP. :o On the other hand, the '77 BHP's trigger was clean but very heavy (more than I could have lived with in a single action pistol). :( Add the cost of a trigger job and getting it into the state (if even possible) and it's a lot more than I can afford. :rolleyes:

Yes, I may go back and take a very hard look at that FEG I found last week for $400 and see if I can't pick it up for a little less. :) You know I am not in the habit of buying guns in a condition that "Dad would not have approved of", but I may have to make an exception for that FEG rather than keep dreaming of finding a BHP with an already decent trigger that I can afford. :)
 
Question for Hi-power fans- I picked up one of the Kareens recently, it seems to have an ejection issue. I've read that this can be fairly common- extractor isn't holding the case firmly enough to throw it out, and you get a FTE.

Should I be looking at the extractor, spring, or both?
 
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Question for Hi-power fans- I picked up one of the Kareens recently, it seems to have an ejection issue. I've read that this can be fairly common- extractor isn't holding the case firmly enough to throw it out, and you get a FTE.

Should I be looking at the extractor, spring, or both?

Kareens ( Israeli) are robust HP copies,but you probably need a spring set. Since you'll want to enjoy this "shooter", you might as well spend a few bucks on a new extractor also. I've always used Numrich for HP/HP copy parts. Enjoy that fine, proven pistol :)
 
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Except for the so-so trigger, I think it's JMB's best design. Still wish it was made in 45acp.
John Browning had very little to do, almost to the point of nothing, with the design of the GP 35; that is the brain child of Dieudonné Joseph Saive. Browning did the work on the original concept, the striker fired Model 27 Grande Rendement (which Saive designed the concept of the staggered magazine specifically for), but died before that came to fruition. That pistol did not find many friends due to weight and other features.

When FN came back to take another stab at addressing the interest in a high capacity pistol, it was Saive who did all the design work that resulted in what we call the High Power. There were some common features - not surprising as Browning and Saive had worked together on the design of the original Model 27. Side by side, the Model 27 and GP 35 differ in far more than they are similar.

Saive was also a firearm design genius in his own right, the FN FAL probably being his most recognized design. He is a topic for discussion all by himself.

The "so so" trigger had reasons for being the way it is as well. Of note is that the service pams for the Inglis HP pistols, which Saive aided in the reverse engineering of, mandate a trigger pull weight of 5 - 7 lbs. That is all of about 1 lb heavier than the apparently also "so so" trigger pull specified for the government M1911 from the same time period. It's also in the same weight range of factory trigger pull weights in S&W revolvers, Lee Enfield service rifles, and the current M16 service rifle variants (MIL-C-71186 says 5.5-9 lbs). Presumably, all of these weapons could have had 3.5 - 5 lb. trigger pulls, if the military had found that preferable.

My almost-unused Inglis has a trigger pull of 5 lbs; my personal carry 69C HP comes in just a tad over 4.5 lbs. The HP trigger will never keep up with a 1911 trigger (or a CZ or others) designed/refined for use on the square range. But the HP was never designed as a target pistol (although some target variations have been offered that have some modifications) - it was designed as a pistol for fighting with, as was the 1911, the Lee Enfield, the M16, etc that have similar trigger pulls.

You can certainly remove the magazine disconnect, and some even claim it is necessary. No country or police force who has ever issued the HP has removed the magazine disconnet that I am aware of. It is worth noting that the top tier units that used the HP for decades (i.e. the SAS of various countries, the CAR, etc) never saw fit to remove the magazine disconnect on their pistols. And they certainly could have, given they have an ample supply of gun plumbers supporting them and pretty much carte blanche as far as what they do with the weaponry they choose. Presumably, the SAS and some of the other high end units who used the HP have some knowledge of fighting with a handgun at close quarters, and what they do and don't find acceptable in triggers.

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The guys over on the 1911/Hi Power Forum that want "thin" grips for their Hi Powers are buying the Navridex Grips from Brownells. Lots of good things to say about them.:)
The Navidrex grips are quite popular with many. It is probably a tie in popularity between the Navidrex grips and the rubber Uncle Mike's licensed clone of Craig Spegal's wooden grips for the HP. Spegal's wood grips are actually slightly thinner than the rubber Uncle Mike's version.

The wooden versus the rubber Spegals are on the two HPs in the picture above. I find the Navidrex grips to feel a little too square edged in the hands. You could probably easily address that, but as they didn't feel better than the rubber Spegals in my hands anyways, they went on the market to somebody else.

The Uncle Mike's are no longer made, and it is not uncommon to see people asking for $80 a set, and getting it. A few weeks ago Buds advertised new Uncle Mike's that they had found somewhere, and they were asking something like $40. I imagine they went very fast at that price, but perhaps they still have a few sets.
 
Kareens ( Israeli) are robust HP copies,but you probably need a spring set. Since you'll want to enjoy this "shooter", you might as well spend a few bucks on a new extractor also. I've always used Numrich for HP/HP copy parts. Enjoy that fine, proven pistol :)

Thanks for the info- the gun had me just a little confused with the FTE.
The Kareen in question is identical to my FEG other than finish, and the serials are within a couple hundred (B4xxx for both). To my untrained eye, the extractor claw looks ok, and functions fine with snapcaps hand-cycling.
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The extractor doesn't "feel" any looser than the FEG's, at least to me. I read up on this, and it seems that the extractor spring is a common culprit, it's often too weak.

The gun arrived and looked very nice... FTE almost every shot. I've shot it down with brake cleaner right into the extractor channel, and that has reduced it to about 50% of the time.

It does this with mags from my FEG too, so it isn't mag related (my FEG is a 100% functioning gun).

So- I will order an extractor, and a set of springs, and go from there
 
Let me ask the free state members this: If you were to acquire a new or near new BHP today, which current version would you choose? :confused: Traditional or Mk III? :confused:
Traditional... all the way. I can be happy with either, but there is no question that the classic HP feels better in the hand than the newer, stronger Mk III. At least, not to me, and I have five of them to choose from. The one caveat is I wouldn't choose one with the internal extractor, unless you like the ambiance of that original design and are willing to put up with the difficulty in finding a replacement should you ever need to do so.

Some people are concerned about beating the original designs to death. The Inglis pistols are still working for the Canadians, and they have been shooting those same pistols manufactured in 1944/45 for about 70 years now, on a diet of nothing but military 9mm ammunition. They don't have a problem with assorted parts breaking - probably mostly because the gun plumbers inspect the recoil springs on a regular basis and replace springs that are out of spec. Some of the recoil springs in civilian HPs I have been shown have recoil springs that are greatly shortened and probably would be more like 13 or 14 lbs than the stock weight. I would suspect much of the problem lies there. Stephen Camp never managed to shoot any of his HPs to death - but he said he also changed his recoil springs every 5000 rounds.

With modern police service ammunition, you don't need +P ammunition. I recognize that there are those who feel otherwise; I'm not interested in visiting that debate again and would simply say that if you believe that take it up with Dr. Gary Roberts instead. That man looks at more OIS reports and autopsy/medical reports in his work in a month than most do in a lifetime. The last time he was asked that I am aware of, he said he carries standard pressure Federal HST 147 grain loads in both his personal carry gun and in his position as a reserve police officer where he also has his choice of caliber.

If you do want to feed a steady diet of +P ammunition and are worried about it in a classic HP, choose the slightly heavier recoil springs available and change them regularly. Easy-peasy.

The original feed ramp can be a problem in some classic HP pistols with hollow points, and no problem at all in others. My 69C has fed everything I put in the magazines since I bought it for police work around 1977 or so. Others have had to spend a few minutes polishing feed ramps.

So I would choose an original for carry, but I would recognize that the original hump and bump sights are less than ideal, particularly once old timer's eyesight sets in. Happily, Novaks and others will fix that for you with a set of very nice, very classy sights in a very short time frame for a very reasonable amount of money. And they look very classy on a very classy pistol to begin with.

A classic Israeli/European surplus HP from importers like CDI would be a great place to start. Those who have bought them, and then refinished and had new sights involved have ended up with some beautiful and very businesslike carry pistols for less than the cost of a new Mk III. I haven't heard anyone who bought from CDI say they were dissatisfied for what they got for the price they paid. Most, if anything, said the condition of the pistol they received was well above what it was advertised as, and most of the wear appears to be holster wear.
 
So- I will order an extractor, and a set of springs, and go from there
You might want to check with Browning first for the parts you are looking for, as most of the people buying parts find that Brownings OEM prices are cheaper for whatever reason. Worth a phone call.

For springs 'n things, this new company is getting a lot of approval and thumbs up for their springs and spring kits for the HP.

BHSpringSolutions LLC
 
I had mine at the range today. Every time I shoot it, I feel like giving the stinkeye to my other guns.

I feeds everything, never jams, doesn't kick, and shoots right to the point of aim. I replaced the bananna safety with one from Cylinder and Slide and removed the magazine disconnect so empty mags drop free.
 

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A Browning Hi-Power was a grail gun for me after I saw the Movie "Serpico" a zillion years ago. Happily, I obtained one a couple of years ago and it's an excellent shooter. I even took a Close Quarter Pistol Craft class with it. Outstanding! Why I don't have a picture I cannot imagine but I will cure that soon. It looks like everyone else's of course.

I also recently succumbed to buying a Kareem. A Hi-Power under 300 bucks? I couldn't resist, never mind the Israel connection, which didn't hurt at all. It's not much of a looker and I am likely going to put Pachmayrs on it but a funny thing happened whilst my FFL buddy and I were playing with the gun - he couldn't stand how the bore looked so he decided to clean the whole gun. Okay, why would I stop him, right?

The pistol cleaned up okay but what was stunning was what happened when he scrubbed out that barrel. We were left wondering if it had ever been fired. Pristine bore is the only way to describe it. Deep and clean lands and grooves while, before, we thought the rifling was pitted and a mess. Spotless and silvery in the bore-light! DELIGHTFUL!

I can't wait to get it to the range.

And a photo on here. :)
 
I want one! But every one I find looks like it's been used as a boat anchor!
 
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Pics of a couple more. The early guns with the thin front sight are getting harder to shoot. Fat sight easier to see. 9mm only. The Practical is on duty some days as a companion gun. Always in reach.
Left gun in #1 pic. has early type extractor.
Bill@Yuma

Really nice trio :) That "thumb print" looks like beauty:)
 
It's a real beater. But, I had been fresh out of FN HiPowers for a while .....& the price was right.



I negotiated down from $325 shipped to $225 shipped. It is from 1986 and apparently spent most of its' life in the Middle East....Israel perhaps.The barrel is a replacement.



I've had probably a dozen HPs at one time or another. Everything from Nazi issue to a Mauser & an Argentine pistol from the '60s made under license. This FN is so accurate it is boring and will feed any type of ammo I've tried. It fed magzines loaded w/ all different bullet configurations w/o a single FTF or FTE so far. Everytime I shoot this one, I wonder what possessed me to sell/swap the others.

Best,
Charles
 
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The world was much younger when I first got my hands on a BHP--a borrowed Inglis in a Canadian "commando" match. Sort of a prehistoric IPSC event.

Have been in a retro phase of late and the Israeli Mk III has been earning its keep. Not bad for an 82 year old design.
 
I've long admired the BHP, but have never owned a "Browning" version.

I'm limited for now, to this Argentine one I paid, IIRC, about $375.00 a few months ago. No idea when it was made.





I wish it had a bigger safety, but otherwise, I like it. I did remove the magazine safety, but I did it more so the magazines would drop free. I didn't see much if any change in the trigger.
 
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It's a real beater. But, I had been fresh out of FN HiPowers for a while .....& the price was right.



I negotiated down from $325 shipped to $225 shipped. It is from 1986 and apparently spent most of its' life in the Middle East....Israel perhaps.The barrel is a replacement.



I've had probably a dozen HPs at one time or another. Everything from Nazi issue to a Mauser & an Argentine pistol from the '60s made under license. This FN is so accurate it is boring and will feed any type of ammo I've tried. It fed magzines loaded w/ all different bullet configurations w/o a single FTF or FTE so far. Everytime I shoot this one, I wonder what possessed me to sell/swap the others.

Best,
Charles

Great shooter Charles.:) Ya just can't beat the Israeli (IDF) surplus MKII, especially for the price. I've got one ( not pictured on my thread photo) that I shoot the heck out of and don't worry about it being pretty. And when I've got it out at the range, or sitting in my bed-side drawer, I know that the gun has, most likely, been in harms way:)
 
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I've long admired the BHP, but have never owned a "Browning" version.

I'm limited for now, to this Argentine one I paid, IIRC, about $375.00 a few months ago. No idea when it was made.

I wish it had a bigger safety, but otherwise, I like it. I did remove the magazine safety, but I did it more so the magazines would drop free. I didn't see much if any change in the trigger.
It looks to be in awfully good shape. :) The 1911-style slide gives it a fairly unique look. Gotta look twice to see what it really is. ;)

I could go for one at that price! :D
 
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