Rastoff
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Can you please cite the law that requires this?
Home Defense weapons
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AJ
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A dog is your best first line of defense. He/she should alert you to any intruder. If big enough and given the opportunity may even attack the intruder. Now this may present a problem as the dog may get in the way of a clear shot.
Will probably retreat to the master bedroom as there are several guns located there. Next would be the gun rooms as there is enough stuff there to hold of several dozens bad guys.
However, if this takes place in the evening or on his days off the neighbor will be over to see what the commotion is about. He is a deputy sheriff.
Meanwhile I will be using my 1911 that I was trained to use as on offensive weapon.
Will probably retreat to the master bedroom as there are several guns located there. Next would be the gun rooms as there is enough stuff there to hold of several dozens bad guys.
However, if this takes place in the evening or on his days off the neighbor will be over to see what the commotion is about. He is a deputy sheriff.
Meanwhile I will be using my 1911 that I was trained to use as on offensive weapon.
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I also keep a Glock 22 in the kitchen closet, a shield 40 under the couch, and a shield 9mm under my side of the bed.
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diegobxr
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Personally, the only reason why I keep my shotgun with an empty chamber is because it is not drop safe.
Mine is stored in a closet, for ready access. I find it quite concerning that me or someone could tip it over, with disastrous consequences.
I understand the tactical advantage of not alerting the BG, but I find it too much a risk otherwise.
(I am not an expert and this is just my opinion)
Doug M.
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Layers, darn it, LAYERS.
Fence w/locked gates, outside lights, locked doors, dogs (preferably larger breeds - in part because the bark is more attention getting, and if you have two or more of them, an intruder who gets past the other stuff will have their hands full). Discourage with target hardening - if a potential offender goes elsewhere, you have prevailed!
Guns: someone who is proficient with a K frame full of 158 grain SWC is a lot better off than someone who is a clod with an AR or shotgun. I prefer the AR for better ballistics, less risk of penetrating walls, red dot sight, mounted flashlight; easier to shoot. The ballistics research is clear on shotguns - birdshot is clownshoes. #1 buck has been shown to be the best in terms of damage (more crush area than 00 or #4, better penetration than #4). I have mine loaded with slugs because a) my academy taught them as default, and b), my shotgun is also set up with a red dot and integral light. My additional rounds are 000 - because I bought a lot when that was the best thing going. I also have a couple of pistols.
I have considered a 9mm carbine for a couple of reasons now. One os that there are a couple of places making 9mm ARs that actually work, and are designed around the 9mm pistol mags instead of using adapters. The ammo is cheaper and one can shoot it in places that will prohibit 5.56X45. 9mm +P out of that will be at or above .357 magnum levels, even if I were to go with an SBR/can combo. Drawback, of course, is that these rifles cost as much as a service worthy AR ($2K- ish), and so the ammo flexibility has to be worth it in order to justify the money for an additional rifle.
Over penetration is less of a real concern than it is portrayed to be if one tracks down the valid research (such as by Doc Roberts). The first step to reducing the risk is to HIT THE TARGET; proper ammo might come out the back, but often with enough less energy that the risk of further penetration is reduced. A MISS carries a lot more risk to others (and your own exposure) than any purported risk from "over-penetration".
Fence w/locked gates, outside lights, locked doors, dogs (preferably larger breeds - in part because the bark is more attention getting, and if you have two or more of them, an intruder who gets past the other stuff will have their hands full). Discourage with target hardening - if a potential offender goes elsewhere, you have prevailed!
Guns: someone who is proficient with a K frame full of 158 grain SWC is a lot better off than someone who is a clod with an AR or shotgun. I prefer the AR for better ballistics, less risk of penetrating walls, red dot sight, mounted flashlight; easier to shoot. The ballistics research is clear on shotguns - birdshot is clownshoes. #1 buck has been shown to be the best in terms of damage (more crush area than 00 or #4, better penetration than #4). I have mine loaded with slugs because a) my academy taught them as default, and b), my shotgun is also set up with a red dot and integral light. My additional rounds are 000 - because I bought a lot when that was the best thing going. I also have a couple of pistols.
I have considered a 9mm carbine for a couple of reasons now. One os that there are a couple of places making 9mm ARs that actually work, and are designed around the 9mm pistol mags instead of using adapters. The ammo is cheaper and one can shoot it in places that will prohibit 5.56X45. 9mm +P out of that will be at or above .357 magnum levels, even if I were to go with an SBR/can combo. Drawback, of course, is that these rifles cost as much as a service worthy AR ($2K- ish), and so the ammo flexibility has to be worth it in order to justify the money for an additional rifle.
Over penetration is less of a real concern than it is portrayed to be if one tracks down the valid research (such as by Doc Roberts). The first step to reducing the risk is to HIT THE TARGET; proper ammo might come out the back, but often with enough less energy that the risk of further penetration is reduced. A MISS carries a lot more risk to others (and your own exposure) than any purported risk from "over-penetration".
Rastoff
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Um, what??? Why would you own any gun that isn't drop safe? And, if that gun is for self-defense, why would you own a gun that you don't feel safe having one in the chamber?
That just baffles me.
Playing call of duty much?
What if there are 3-5 attackers? You are now limited to 1-2 shots per attacker which puts you at an extreme disadvantage. A guy just was on the news for defending his home from three intruders with an ar so this isn't unbelievable.
This just reminds me of the older guy I saw open carrying a SA revolver at the 12 position. He was at least upper sixties and overweight. Any attacker would have him disarmed and using his firearm against him in seconds
AJ
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!.) Will agree with the layers concept.
2.) If using a shotgun will load it with progressively stouter loads, going from #9, 0, 00 and then slug. Any gun even possibly a .22 can penetrate a will. BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET..........
3.) If I have to use a rifle will use my M1A1 .30 Cal. with a 30 round magazine. But my first firearm of choice will be an M1911, because I was trained in the Corps to use it as a offensive weapon (as opposed to a defensive weapon). If the Corps would give back (to keep) my HK MP5, I would use that.
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YogiBear
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Aloha,
While in Hawaii, 2 locked and loaded Australian Cattle Dogs in the bedroom.
When we move to Texas, we will be living in the country,
More Cattle dogs and what ever guns we get deals on at the gun shows.
Cattle dogs are also known as Velcro dogs, they follow their owners where ever they go. Even into the bathroom. You just can't pet one, you have to pet them ALL.
Wife wants guns secreted in every room. More than likely semi autos with 30 round magazines.
Right now, all our shotguns are Brownings or Berettas.
I will have to get (I prefer) 20 ga Remington 870s with short cut down barrels.
Living in the country, calling 911 means the police will get there just to fill in the after action report.
"Fort Apache" will hold until the Cavalry gets there after it is all over.
While in Hawaii, 2 locked and loaded Australian Cattle Dogs in the bedroom.
When we move to Texas, we will be living in the country,
More Cattle dogs and what ever guns we get deals on at the gun shows.
Cattle dogs are also known as Velcro dogs, they follow their owners where ever they go. Even into the bathroom. You just can't pet one, you have to pet them ALL.
Wife wants guns secreted in every room. More than likely semi autos with 30 round magazines.
Right now, all our shotguns are Brownings or Berettas.
I will have to get (I prefer) 20 ga Remington 870s with short cut down barrels.
Living in the country, calling 911 means the police will get there just to fill in the after action report.
"Fort Apache" will hold until the Cavalry gets there after it is all over.
Lee's Landing Billy
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OK, I'll be number 100. After reading 99 I see I am in a great minority. I have actually been on the wrong end of a home invasion. By 3 people. It's in the forum if you care to look it up.
Again, I can ONLY speak for ME. Things won't go as you planned, so have other plans. No matter what your plan is, at least have one, and get the rest of the folks in the house in on the plan. That was one of the key elements to our survival. Everybody knew what to do.
3 intruders are hard to handle, even if you catch them inside your home. Have a plan.
Again, I can ONLY speak for ME. Things won't go as you planned, so have other plans. No matter what your plan is, at least have one, and get the rest of the folks in the house in on the plan. That was one of the key elements to our survival. Everybody knew what to do.
3 intruders are hard to handle, even if you catch them inside your home. Have a plan.
The best gun is what you are trained and proficient with. I have an M&P fullsize 45 with HST's and a TRL-1 mounted on it. I shoot this gun regularly so its the best for me. I live in a neighborhood of houses on an acre each so we're fairly close to each other, misses could be a bad thing. Otherwise my next most proficient weapon and first choice would be my ak-47. I have no doubts with that rifle taking care of business.
I guess my point is train with what you have and be proficient with your weapon. Most important is make your house as secure as you can, don't be an easy target.
I guess my point is train with what you have and be proficient with your weapon. Most important is make your house as secure as you can, don't be an easy target.
AJ
US Veteran
Hopefully it never happens (the need for a firearm). With the dogs you may get enough warning to get to a gun. If the area is prone to home invasions then I may carry all the time.
YogiBear
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Aloha,
One thing that I have done is look at the crime stats for Mason, Llano and Lampasas.
All the crime listed are in the city limits, none outside in the country.
If there is no crime outside City limits(which I find hard to believe, there must be theft of ranch/farm implements?), maybe it is because they have guns and a backhoe?
Wife has Said, OC will be the norm. Guests are OK to OC on our property.
When we have BBQs and you're invited, be sure to wear your BBQ gun(s).
I plan to have a camera equipped GPS drone over the property.
Being FROM Hawaii, in a Free State, I hope to have a rifle that has night vision and suppressor.
One thing that I have done is look at the crime stats for Mason, Llano and Lampasas.
All the crime listed are in the city limits, none outside in the country.
If there is no crime outside City limits(which I find hard to believe, there must be theft of ranch/farm implements?), maybe it is because they have guns and a backhoe?
Wife has Said, OC will be the norm. Guests are OK to OC on our property.
When we have BBQs and you're invited, be sure to wear your BBQ gun(s).
I plan to have a camera equipped GPS drone over the property.
Being FROM Hawaii, in a Free State, I hope to have a rifle that has night vision and suppressor.
Lee's Landing Billy
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Please correct me if I misunderstood your post? Did you just write that you are willing to bet your life on a system that has NEVER been fired? Can you operate it in the dark, know where the controls are, make it work and reload up side down? Please go shoot that thing, if just to see if it will go bang. It doesn't lend a lot of credence to your opinion that you are betting your life on a gun you have never fired. Man, I hope I in some way got your post wrong.
AJ
US Veteran
Concur with Billy. Clean it, Familiarize yourself with it and at the very least function test it.
Rastoff
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Sadly, this is far too common. I see people all the time that only fire their carry gun at the renewal class the state mandates they take every two years. At least 20% of those malfunction on the first shot or two.
Lee's Landing Billy
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Whew!!! That's a real man's gun!! That light 12 will knock the soda outta a biscuit.
IMO, the best all around home defense firearm is a .38 Special / .357 Mag double action revolver with a 4 inch barrel. Become very proficient with it and plan to practice with it at least 4 times a year - the more the better. Use the most powerful round that you can handle well. (A .38 +P SJHP would be a good all around round for HD.) After shooting several hundred rounds through it, consider getting a trigger / action job on it performed by an experienced gunsmith. A laser sight would be a nice touch as well.
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Here are my house guns on a visit to the range. From left to right: first is a Colt Series 70 in 45 ACP that's wearing a slide with BoMar sights on it. When on duty there's another slide with night sights. It lives in the nightstand next to my bed. Next is a Rock Island Armory compact 45 which is by my right hand as I type this. It's for answering any knocks on the door late at night while I'm playing on the forumn. It has since had Novak night sights installed. Next is a Colt Combat Commander, also in 45 and also with Novak night sights that is on a shelf next to my chair in the gun room off the garage. Like the RIA it's for inventigating any 'noises off' if I'm in there at night. Last is a S&W 625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt that resides in a drawer in the end table next to my easy chair in the living room. I used to have an automatic pistol there, but the drawer also has a pair of scissors, a magnifying glass, pens and various other things that make it not a comfortable environment for an automatic. All get fired occasionally. They've had a few rounds of their service ammo: Speer 230 gr HPs for the 45 ACPs, to insure there are no functioning problems, and they get shot a lot more with cast bullet handloads. I don't intend to pocket the Series 70 or the Combat Commander, so they get 10 round magazines. I figure I'm well prepared to repel boarding parties.
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Re the "mistakes" pointed our by the decedents family....We have a saying in LE: 'If you're involved in a OIS, you won't see their last booking photo, it's gonna be their best yearbook photo'. Soooooo, true! Just look at the Travon Martin incident; those pics were slightly 'dated'.
So very true! Along with their "sainthood credentials"!
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blues7
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Speaking of which, I came across this video discussion of the facts of the TM case on another firearms site yesterday. Interesting info, some of which I was unaware of...
The Real Truth about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman - YouTube
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Lay out of a home, and other factors will mean that home defense must be tailored to those needs. Bedrooms may not be next to each other, different levels. Paper thin walls, solid walls, dry wall, or old fashioned plaster over lattice. It all makes a difference on how, or what tools are used to protect the home.
What is universal is home awareness, situational awareness for the home. Prevent a home invasion before it ever happens. Proper lighting, fencing, landscaping, and of course dogs.
Criminals usually pick the easiest target, make sure you are not the easiest.
About ten years back a house down the road was raided by DEA, a shooting occurred killing one drug dealer. The gunfire that missed the deceased exited the home, and peppered every surrounding home. Fortunately no innocent people were shot.
If using a handgun, carbine, rifle, make damn sure you do not miss your threat. You are responsible for every round you discharge, both morally, and legally.
I usually don't watch tactikewl tv, good common sense goes a long way. No offense but some of the tactikewl youtube/tv trainers are off a few bricks.
What is universal is home awareness, situational awareness for the home. Prevent a home invasion before it ever happens. Proper lighting, fencing, landscaping, and of course dogs.
Criminals usually pick the easiest target, make sure you are not the easiest.
About ten years back a house down the road was raided by DEA, a shooting occurred killing one drug dealer. The gunfire that missed the deceased exited the home, and peppered every surrounding home. Fortunately no innocent people were shot.
If using a handgun, carbine, rifle, make damn sure you do not miss your threat. You are responsible for every round you discharge, both morally, and legally.
I usually don't watch tactikewl tv, good common sense goes a long way. No offense but some of the tactikewl youtube/tv trainers are off a few bricks.
redmccool
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I believe in the shotgun for social work. My hd gun is an old dependable 97 Win. riot gun loaded with 27 #4 copper plated buckshot. No need to rack the slide just cock the hammer.
OLDSTER
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Home defense
Yeap !! The most frightening, and possibly last, thing an intruder may ever hear is the "clack-clack" of a pump shot gun
Yeap !! The most frightening, and possibly last, thing an intruder may ever hear is the "clack-clack" of a pump shot gun
Home Defense Weapons
"Racking a Pump Shotgun" - now you have given your position away and type of weapon you have to the BG
"Racking a Pump Shotgun" - now you have given your position away and type of weapon you have to the BG
