Homicide comparison of two cities in two countries

[df53141]

Back in home country and here, two cities, my hometown has a population of 750,000 (city only). The nearest big city where I live now has a population of 710,000. In a typical year, the number of homicide (death resulted from malicious act, such as knife, fist-fighting, poison, explosives,arson, rape, robbery,kidnapping), the number are 10, and 350, respectively. In the case of San Jose (a population of 950,000), the annual homicide is about 40. There are lots of burglaries in my hometown (roughly 1,000 per 100,000, all types, home and business burglary). There are far more petty crime and physical fighting than a typical US city! Despite the relative low homicide rate, people seem very unhappy, short-tempered and many people look gaunt due to all kinds of pressure in daily life.

I told my relatives, if hometown is similar to Detroit, there would be 8 homicide per week, they were totally shocked! But they also tell me, if everyone can get guns, the homicide rate would shoot up maybe 50x, maybe 100x.

I notice that Aurora, CO has low homicide rate, but their suicide rate is very very high, same case in Wyoming, Alaska. No doubt 2A bring safety to many people, but also a lot of death!

This is informational only, I hope it can be preserved! Thanks!

 

[quneur]

Its very hard to evaluate two different population and their attitudes towards guns. There are two many factors to evaluate such as personal experience, environment, parental restrictions to education, wealth, peer attitude.

I grew up believing in individual freedoms, liberties and the individuals right to own firearms. I grew up with firearms and hunting. In grade school, they would blast America the Beautiful over the speakers and everyone was required to halt and place a hand over their hearts then we spoke the Pledge of Allegiance. That is what shaped my personal attitudes which will be different from another in another country.

 

[66Park]

I think you have to differentiate between legal and illegal guns. In the US, there are high homicide rates where there are lots of illegal guns. Most of it is gang related. Statistically, areas with large numbers of legal guns have lower crime rates. Generally, law abiding citizens with legal guns are a deterrent to crime. Criminals with illegal guns equals mayhem.

And guneur's point is right on. It's just very, very difficult to compare different cultures or countries. If you want to try, however, look at England vs. Switzerland. England has strict gun control and the most violent crime in Europe. Switzerland's population has one of the highest percentages of gun ownership in the world, and a very low violent crime rate. Switzerland's gun ownership is overwhelmingly by law abiding citizens with legal weapons. Rifles and marksmanship are part of their culture. Their cultural relationship to firearms is very different from England's, so I guess the only thing that proves is that you can't say that more guns equals more violent crime. Guns are tools. They can be used to commit crimes or prevent crimes. It all depends on the person using them.

 

[Arik]

You cant compare to different countries. Too many variables. Ideology, social and economical status, believes ..etc...etc.

Until the mid 90s Sweden used to have armories scattered about the county. Basically buildings full of machineguns, ammo, claymores, grenades, bazookas. In case of invasion locals had a means of self defense. This was all kept secure with a regular lock that anyone could buy at a hardware store. No guards, no soldiers no cops. Just one lock. Why? Because for them it was a none issue. No one feared a break in. One was eventually broken into by a local chapter of a motorcycle club. They were having a battle against a rival club. Until then not even criminals thought to break into this.

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[Poodle Soup]

Places where guns are used for hunting and target shooting where parents are teaching their children to respect and use firearms are always going to have a lower gun crime rate. Its gang bangers and other idiots who's only gun knowledge comes from movies and "the street" who are the problem.

I'm not sure I like the term "illegal gun". I think the left uses this term to generalize guns with crime.

What exactly is an illegal gun? Is it a gun that has been used in a crime? Is it a gun that is owned by someone who is legally not allowed to own a gun?

Why is the gun "illegal"?

Rather than using the term illegal gun, we should be focusing on the individual criminals who are breaking the law by carrying, owning or using a gun to commit a crime.

A stolen gun, gun with the serial numbers filed off, shortened rifle or shotgun, or a gun modified to fire full auto would all be illegal guns in most places.

 

[66Park]

A stolen gun, gun with the serial numbers filed off, shortened rifle or shotgun, or a gun modified to fire full auto would all be illegal guns in most places.

Yeah, it would seem that most of the guns that criminals obtain through illegal means on the street and use for gang violence would fall into one of those categories or straw purchases. At any rate, the guns used by law abiding citizens don't fall into those categories, as we can obtain guns through legal means. Certainly all the guns I've ever had don't!