Hoover's Magnum

[lw]

Gents, I don't get to this forum much and I'm not a collector. However, I did want to mention that Shawn McCarver's (whom I don't know) original posting here on our search for the magnum was taken from my website at historicalgmen. This I've just noticed. This is my own site; not that of the Retired FBI Agent's Society, although I'm a member. Retired SA Walt Merritt and myself have been looking for the Magnum for quite some years and have heard all the stories, the "Texas rumor" and more that probably some here never heard. The maid stole it; the chauffer stole it, and all the rest.

We've been able to account for the Society's info, Hoover's other various guns out on the market; some given by Colt. Many of his guns and those of Clyde Tolson went by estate to Asst. Director John Mohr, and then from Mohr to his son, Richard who was dentist and then sold publicly.

We are simply trying to account for the weapon and if the holder wants to keep it private, so be it. It's not going to change history. I seriously doubt that the paranoia that is out there regarding the FBI "seizing the gun back" is legitimate and I've discussed this with the current Bureau Historian. But believe what you may.

If there was a double posting on this matter at this forum, it was probably my fault, not Shawn's, since as mentioned I don't get here often.

And one last note: For those of you who still believe the drag queen, dress up etc. crap that was portrayed in Anthony Summer's book re Hoover, I'd like to note that Peter Maas, one of the biggest critics of Hoover and the FBI said of Summer's findings, "Alas, it turns out to be all garbage without even a presentable trash can to contain it." (Maas, Esquire, 1993, page 56)

Contact me anytime and stop by our site below. And hey........keep up the paranoia. Makes for good reading.

Larry Wack
Retired SA, FBI - 1968-2003
http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/

 

[lw]

Gents, I don't get to this forum much and I'm not a collector. However, I did want to mention that Shawn McCarver's (whom I don't know) original posting here on our search for the magnum was taken from my website at historicalgmen. This I've just noticed. This is my own site; not that of the Retired FBI Agent's Society, although I'm a member. Retired SA Walt Merritt and myself have been looking for the Magnum for quite some years and have heard all the stories, the "Texas rumor" and more that probably some here never heard. The maid stole it; the chauffer stole it, and all the rest.

We've been able to account for the Society's info, Hoover's other various guns out on the market; some given by Colt. Many of his guns and those of Clyde Tolson went by estate to Asst. Director John Mohr, and then from Mohr to his son, Richard who was dentist and then sold publicly.

We are simply trying to account for the weapon and if the holder wants to keep it private, so be it. It's not going to change history. I seriously doubt that the paranoia that is out there regarding the FBI "seizing the gun back" is legitimate and I've discussed this with the current Bureau Historian. But believe what you may.

If there was a double posting on this matter at this forum, it was probably my fault, not Shawn's, since as mentioned I don't get here often.

And one last note: For those of you who still believe the drag queen, dress up etc. crap that was portrayed in Anthony Summer's book re Hoover, I'd like to note that Peter Maas, one of the biggest critics of Hoover and the FBI said of Summer's findings, "Alas, it turns out to be all garbage without even a presentable trash can to contain it." (Maas, Esquire, 1993, page 56)

Contact me anytime and stop by our site below. And hey........keep up the paranoia. Makes for good reading.

Larry Wack
Retired SA, FBI - 1968-2003
http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/

 

[Wyatt Earp]

This has already been discussed ad infinitum and the consensus is that nobody really knows who has it, and if we knew anyone in the FBI is the last person on earth we would divulge it to.

 

[st regis]

Make that Ad Nauseum

 

[lw]

Sorry St. Regis; there's no " ad nauseum" advertising here. I do not allow any at the site; the recommended books by others don't produce any income on my end, and the site yearly expenses are paid out of pocket by me alone and can be proven. The info on there of the Agents of the 30's and the early Bureau is free for anyone who wants to see it, some of which involves the early weaponry of the FBI. It's a lengthy, ongoing ordeal.

 

[tom turner]

Thanks for your efforts Larry, I'm sure it is a labor of love.

Tom

 

[G-ManBart]

If anyone thinks that the Bureau really cares about, or would do attempt to seize, that particular gun doesn't really know anything about the Bureau. Kinda busy with somewhat more important things these days.

It was clearly a privately owned weapon, and not issued, so it's never been property of the United States.

If you disagree, stay where you are, the black helicopters with "U.N." painted on the side will be along shortly

 

[MaineProbation]

One assumes that the great majority of posters on this forum are honest and law abiding individuals. The degree of mistrust expressed against various Federal agencies here says a lot about how these agencies are perceived by "middle America." Looks like they have some work to do to recover the public trust.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by lw:
However, I did want to mention that Shawn McCarver's (whom I don't know) original posting here on our search for the magnum was taken from my website at historicalgmen. This I've just noticed. This is my own site; not that of the Retired FBI Agent's Society, although I'm a member.

If there was a double posting on this matter at this forum, it was probably my fault, not Shawn's, since as mentioned I don't get here often.


Larry Wack
Retired SA, FBI - 1968-2003
http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/

Mr. Wack:

Thank you for the clarification. I did not really realize the two web sites were different. I am sorry for any confusion that may have caused when I copied your request for information here.

As to the double posting, I take responsibility for that as well, as I posted in in both the Pre-War and the Post War sections in hope of reaching a wider audience.

I love your web site and the old firearms training films are great for the weapons, holsters and techniques shown. I followed the search for the Dillinger gun also and the final report and pictures convinced me that it was finally found.

Good show!

Congratulations on an excellent site.

Shawn McCarver

 

[Quarter Cherokee]

Interesting site. Thanks for the link.

 

[lw]

Maine, with all due respect to your comment, I don't think you speak for "middle America" and the idea that Federal Agencies have some "work to do to recover the public trust" is really your own opinion and yes, maybe the opinion of some others. (We're getting away from the original subject of the Hoover magnum, but anyhow).......

I can tell you that after spending nearly 30 years on the street there are many out there who are unfortunately merely "mis informed." They believe what others tell them, and what they read, and believe it's "gospel." None of them have done any research on their own.

What many do today, as has been done in the past, is to form a negative opinion and then find evidence to back that opinion. It's a very common mistake.

I can attest to the fact that the public trust is STILL THERE for the most part in our law enforcement agencies, i. e. the police, the FBI and others.

And I can attest to this: when the Amber Alert goes up revealing that your son or your daughter is missing, there's not a greater group of people you want on your side. Middle America or not......

Instead of worrying about what the FBI will or won't do with the Hoover Magnum, you had all better wake up and start worrying about what William Ayers and others are teaching your children in the Universities.

 

[lw]

Shawn, not a problem; don't worry about it.
larry

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:

Originally posted by lw:
However, I did want to mention that Shawn McCarver's (whom I don't know) original posting here on our search for the magnum was taken from my website at historicalgmen. This I've just noticed. This is my own site; not that of the Retired FBI Agent's Society, although I'm a member.

If there was a double posting on this matter at this forum, it was probably my fault, not Shawn's, since as mentioned I don't get here often.


Larry Wack
Retired SA, FBI - 1968-2003
http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/

Mr. Wack:

Thank you for the clarification. I did not really realize the two web sites were different. I am sorry for any confusion that may have caused when I copied your request for information here.

As to the double posting, I take responsibility for that as well, as I posted in in both the Pre-War and the Post War sections in hope of reaching a wider audience.

I love your web site and the old firearms training films are great for the weapons, holsters and techniques shown. I followed the search for the Dillinger gun also and the final report and pictures convinced me that it was finally found.

Good show!

Congratulations on an excellent site.

Shawn McCarver

 

[moosedog]

At this point no body could be charged criminaly for possessing it as the statue of limitations has long since run out.
Now it's just a matter of privacy on the part of the person who has it.

 

[Guest]

Larry thank you for the incredible contributions you have made, and continue to make, toward preserving the history of the FBI.

Please keep up the much appreciated effort.

Tony Perrin

 

[lw]

Guys, thanks for the postings.

Regarding the Dirctor's magnum, I do want to mention this: Everyone is assuming based on various stories and "supposed facts" that the gun made it's way out of the Bureau....whenever you'd like. We're not totally convinced of this.

There is no direct evidence of this and we're checking internally to see if it's possible the gun is lying in "plain sight."

I bring this up because for decades it was believed that the gun Dillinger had at the Biograph that night was given by Hoover to Comedian, Red Skelton. A very persuavive "rumor."

Last year, as you'll see at our website, we found Dillinger's gun lying among some old FBI tour exhibits. We knew from a review of the file, that the gun was not "too far away." It is now on loan to the new Law Enforcement Museum in Washington.

You all know what happens when you "ass-ume."

 

[LadyFed]

Larry, thanks for your efforts to preserve our history and dignity as well as your level headed, reasoned responses to some pretty blatant attacks herein on all those who have sworn to 'protect and defend'....
Eliza

 

[Happenstance]

Again a note of thanks sir! This is valuable information for history nuts like many of us here.

 

[lw]

Eliza, nice hearing from you and hope all is well. You, me, and others here who have/had a badge know that it comes with the turf. Fortunately, the older you get, the less impact it has.....

The uniformed copper out there is our first front line of defense and the abuse these poor guys have to take on a daily basis, especially from today's youth, is sickening. But I'm getting off topic here.....so back to the magnum. Cheers.

 

[handejector]

Larry,
Thanks for all you do. Great website.

A short comment on "image"-
As in all walks of life, authority is OCCASIONALLY abused by some individuals. People tend to remember such an abuse as the "norm". Just human nature, I guess.
The FACT is, without people who have dedicated their lives to Law Enforcement, we would live by "JUNGLE LAW". Just imagine for a moment NO law enforcement.
THANKS for your service- ALL you people.

 

[Clyde from Carolina]

Originally posted by lw:
Eliza, nice hearing from you and hope all is well. You, me, and others here who have/had a badge know that it comes with the turf. Fortunately, the older you get, the less impact it has.....

The uniformed copper out there is our first front line of defense and the abuse these poor guys have to take on a daily basis, especially from today's youth, is sickening. But I'm getting off topic here.....so back to the magnum. Cheers.

Very true. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff, and anybody carrying a badge- especially in uniform- soon gets used to being not so well liked!