Hornady .22LR ammo

[Beuford T. Rimfire]

Anyone know why Hornady doesn't make .22LR ammo of any kind? They make .17HMR, .17Mach2, and .22WMR... but no .22LR.

I'd sure like to have some V-Max bulleted ammo for varmints. But maybe the slower velocity of the .22LR compared to the above offerings might only make the V-Max look cooler than others while sitting in the ammo box. Anyone know why Hornady doesn't make ammo for our rifles?

 

[Majorlk]

I would imaging it's the cost of tooling up for it. It's a rather cut-throat market. I've often wondered if, considering that ATK owns Federal, CCI and Blazer, all three brands are made on separate machines or are they all made in one plant?

Aquila is made, I am told, on the machines Remington sold when they shut down the Bridgeport, Connecticut plant.

 

[Beuford T. Rimfire]

That could be. My thoughts were that they already have .22 cal bullets and the .17Mach2 is basically a necked down .22LR. So it would stand to reason that they could make a .22LR cartridge without too much trouble. Not surprisingly, they would probably be expensive as far as .22LR ammo is concerned.

I have an official question pending with Hornady on the matter. I'll post what I find out from them in case anyone really cares. That is if they actually reply.

 

[Majorlk]

Any reply will be interesting, I am sure.

 

[Noahsdad]

Hornady doesn't make any rimfire ammo. Their HMR, MK2, & WMR are all made by CCI and packaged for them. The HMR & HM2 were developed as a joint venture between Hornady and CCI. It wouldn't surprise me if they joined in with a plastic tipped lr version.

 

[Majorlk]

Hornady doesn't make any rimfire ammo. Their HMR, MK2, & WMR are all made by CCI and packaged for them. The HMR & HM2 were developed as a joint venture between Hornady and CCI. It wouldn't surprise me if they joined in with a plastic tipped lr version.

Well, that explains it nicely.

 

[Beuford T. Rimfire]

But these rimfire cartridges do use a variant of Hornady's V-Max bullet. Which was really my point in posting and pondering the performance of the polymer tipped bullet for .22LR.

 

[stimr2]

Didn't realize ATK owned so many companies I buy products from. Here's a list of the companies they own. http://www.atk.com/CorporateOverview/corpover_securitysporting.asp

Jelly Bean

 

[mn_doggie]

I would imaging it's the cost of tooling up for it. It's a rather cut-throat market. I've often wondered if, considering that ATK owns Federal, CCI and Blazer, all three brands are made on separate machines or are they all made in one plant?

Aquila is made, I am told, on the machines Remington sold when they shut down the Bridgeport, Connecticut plant.

I know people who work at the Anoka Federal plant. They have said there are times when they help "fill" production inventory for the other divisions.

Sounds like it doesn't happen often.

I'm very surprised at the comment that CCI makes rimfire stuff for Hornaday. Will have to check into that.

 

[arc2x4]

I'm very surprised at the comment that CCI makes rimfire stuff for Hornaday. Will have to check into that.

It is not a comment it is a FACT. I heard it straight from the horses mouth at Hornady when I called to return a defective lot of HM2 ammo a couple years ago.

 

[stimr2]

Not sure if everyone has seen this video. But its cool seeing the manufacturing of rim fire ammunition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvK9QlQtrKI&sns=em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdNkfTS0lOQ&sns=em





Jelly Bean

 

[Majorlk]

But these rimfire cartridges do use a variant of Hornady's V-Max bullet. Which was really my point in posting and pondering the performance of the polymer tipped bullet for .22LR.

I think you would see the cost skyrocket. None of the rounds you mentioned are even close to being cheap.

 

[Majorlk]

Is this ATK company in any way or form related to Blackwater (I think they became another company)? I did a quick Internet search and they are into Defense contracting, Aerospace, and who knows what else. This could explain why ammo prices went up so much when Obama took over. I see another conspiracy theory going on here.

ATK is into many things beside ammo. They are essentially a holding company of their subsidiary companies.

Ammo prices went up due to demand and the overwhelming majority of production went (and still does) to filling military contracts. Simple supply and demand economics.

 

[Majorlk]

I'm very surprised at the comment that CCI makes rimfire stuff for Hornaday. Will have to check into that.

Why? Why spend millions (and more) to build a plant when you can contract with an existing manufacturer for production?

It happens all the time in many industries. You you think S&W makes every part in the 15-22? The sights are made by UTG, the stock is from TAPCO, some sub-contractor makes the barrel, etc ...

Same deal with automobile parts - probably 60 percent comes from independent suppliers, not the auto manufacturer's plants.

 

[TacoDaTugBoat]

Not sure if everyone has seen this video. But its cool seeing the manufacturing of rim fire ammunition.

.22Long Rifle Ammunition Manufacture (Part 1 of 2) - YouTube

.22Long Rifle Ammunition Manufacture (Part 2 of 2) - YouTube



Jelly Bean

Good info!!! Will have to watch these again before purchasing ammo.

 

[Majorlk]

I've seen these before, but it's always interesting to watch them again.

 

[mn_doggie]

Why? Why spend millions (and more) to build a plant when you can contract with an existing manufacturer for production?

It happens all the time in many industries. You you think S&W makes every part in the 15-22? The sights are made by UTG, the stock is from TAPCO, some sub-contractor makes the barrel, etc ...

Same deal with automobile parts - probably 60 percent comes from independent suppliers, not the auto manufacturer's plants.

I have no problems with one manufacturer doing private label or OEM work for another. I've worked for companies that did that all the time.

I'm just surprised that ATK would have CCI do it for Hornaday....

 

[Majorlk]

I have no problems with one manufacturer doing private label or OEM work for another. I've worked for companies that did that all the time.

I'm just surprised that ATK would have CCI do it for Hornaday....

Again, why? It's all about money - cheaper for Hornady, income for CCI/ATK - win, win. Same deal with internal parts and magazines. One Italian magazine maker makes magazines for at least a dozen pistol manufacturers. MecGar is another OEM supplier.

 

[mn_doggie]

Again, why? It's all about money - cheaper for Hornady, income for CCI/ATK - win, win. Same deal with internal parts and magazines. One Italian magazine maker makes magazines for at least a dozen pistol manufacturers. MecGar is another OEM supplier.

When the ATK employees are working 60-70 hrs a week (which means paying lots of OT...I have first hand knowledge of those employees working those long hours I have neighbors working at Federal plant. Some of the CCI stuff is made there from time to time.) I'm having a hard time believing ATK is making enough more money selling OEM to justify the costs involved.

Selling an OEM product to a competitor (most OEM sales likely are at a very low fixed rate profit....remember usually large volume means a lower price) rather than coming out with their own version to sell thru their own distribution is surprising. A companies own product line "sales to distributor" margins are usually better than the margins negotiated by OEM who is buying larger quantities.

OEM contracts are great when your production facility is not running at capacity. It helps cover indirect costs. However, ATK's facilities have been running wide open for years.

The unknown in this whole scenario is how long the contract is going on and since the Hornaday product is a premium product, maybe there are better margins involved.

We still don't know for sure if CCI is building the product.

Again, ATK can do whatever they want. I'm just surprised that they are doing this, if indeed they are.

 

[Majorlk]

Whatever you say.

Over the years I have seen lots of deals that make people scratch their head. I just don't understand the what the big deal is about ATK/CCI making ammo for Hornady.