Hostiles. Deserves another thread. Who HASNT seen it???

[Marshwheeling]

What continues to impress me is how great a movie Josey Wales is, despite the presence of Sondra Locke.

Conchita and I went to see Hostiles tonight in a newish multiplex with big recliner seats. Got my favorite seating, high in the back row, on the left end. There was hardly anybody there, so the experience was very pleasant, but since it is Friday night, I am not expecting a long run for this movie. Still, I would watch it again.

The plot is a little unconventional. It moves from encounter to encounter, with plenty of action, but not much suspense, and without the climactic, cathartic big blowout at then end that characterizes a more conventional movie. It is beautifully photographed.

The point is not so much the drama as the evolution of the Christian Bale character. I am fresh from watching, so I haven’t digested it yet, just have some preliminary observations.

By the by, I caught a little bit of Missouri Breaks the other night. I had not seen it in a long time, and couldn’t watch much, but it was fun to see Brando as a hit man in gingham-dress-and-bonnet drag. That was never in the screenplay, but that movie came at a time when, if you could get Brando, you had to let him do pretty much whatever he wanted.

 

[the ringo kid]

I haven’t been to a movie theater in quite awhile, mostly b/c of the experiences outlined here. It seems people have forgotten their manners, or never had the proper training at home, and have no respect for those aorund them. Don’t know where things are headed and since I’m getting up in years, likely will never find out.

I try to go for the earliest showing for any I wanna see-not to be cheap-but to not have the rude people experience like I just did. 99.99% of the time, its a great experience--just this last time those who sat around me loused this one up. Ill never go to a night showing again, unless im on a date and she wants to?

 

[the ringo kid]

No, I have not seen it, Nor do I plan on seeing it.

Why should I watch yet another movie on the Genocide of Native Americans,???

Who are the Hostiles? The Europeans who resulted in the extinction of Millions of Native Americans (not just what is now the USA)

But hey. we gave them alcohol and let them have a casino on some dried up reservation.

Another biased untruth of "history" which started with Columbus Day and all that other BS!

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

Man at HOW WRONG are you there. There is NO genocide on Indians in this picture. I cant say more or id give important stuff away. I dont know if Wayne likes Westerns or not? being part Blackfoot, but, I think even Wayne would give his seal of approval for this one. Im quarter Cherokee-and I loved this movie.

 

[the ringo kid]

Wife and I saw it last night. I enjoyed it. The scenery was amazing and lots of booming Colt Single Action Army revolvers!

Me too, and is why I have three of them and fixin to get a 4th.

 

[the ringo kid]

I went to the city today and watched the movie. A good western that was in desperate need of a military historian and a knowledgeable firearms advisor. Supposedly filmed in 1882, a trapper had an 1886 Winchester. The soldiers all seemed to carry different carbines. Bale carried a Winchester 1873. One trooper had a period Spencer carbine that had been abandoned by the military years before. And they all had Mills cartridge belts with 45-70 cartridges, except for Bale who carried a McKeever? cartridge box. Didn't see a military issue 1873 Springfield carbine. I did like the fact their hair was always messed up, and the fact their clothes were worn and ragged.

I thought it was 1892, but then again is one reason why I need to watch it again.

 

[30-30remchester]

I thought it was 1892, but then again is one reason why I need to watch it again.

I was looking at my popcorn when the writing was on the screen. Had to rely on my wife to tell me what it said. She might have gotten it wrong.

 

[the ringo kid]

I was looking at my popcorn when the writing was on the screen. Had to rely on my wife to tell me what it said. She might have gotten it wrong.

Me as well but, i just need any excuse to watch it again.

 

[30-30remchester]

Me as well but, i just need any excuse to watch it again.

I just checked Google and indeed you are correct that it was taking place in 1892, so the trappers 1886 Winchester was correct. That being said the Captain was telling of the butcher of his friend Billy Dixon. If this was to represent the Billy Dixon of the Adobe Walls and buffalo wallow fights, whom won the Metal of Honor, he died on pneumonia in bed with his wife by his side, in 1913.

 

[sigp220.45]

I went to the city today and watched the movie. A good western that was in desperate need of a military historian and a knowledgeable firearms advisor. Supposedly filmed in 1882, a trapper had an 1886 Winchester. The soldiers all seemed to carry different carbines. Bale carried a Winchester 1873. One trooper had a period Spencer carbine that had been abandoned by the military years before. And they all had Mills cartridge belts with 45-70 cartridges, except for Bale who carried a McKeever? cartridge box. Didn't see a military issue 1873 Springfield carbine. I did like the fact their hair was always messed up, and the fact their clothes were worn and ragged.

It was set in 1892.

I think the trapper/rapist had a Marlin, but it was only on screen for a second.

Watched it today. Loved it. Better than both Unforgiven and The Shootist.

Definitely not for everyone. Bad guys are on both sides, just like real life.

 

[30-30remchester]

It was set in 1892.

I think the trapper/rapist had a Marlin, but it was only on screen for a second.

Watched it today. Loved it. Better than both Unforgiven and The Shootist.

Definitely not for everyone. Bad guys are on both sides, just like real life.

This make take a year or two to figure out. As you said the rifle was only on screen for a second or two. I could have sworn I saw the loading gate and round bottom of a Winchester 1886. In a few years when it comes on TV so I can stop the show and review I will know if I had too much butter with my popcorn and had impaired vision do to arteries clogging.

 

[the ringo kid]

This make take a year or two to figure out. As you said the rifle was only on screen for a second or two. I could have sworn I saw the loading gate and round bottom of a Winchester 1886. In a few years when it comes on TV so I can stop the show and review I will know if I had too much butter with my popcorn and had impaired vision do to arteries clogging.

Come to think of it, I THINK I saw one as well........ Ill try to remember to pay attention to that detail as I'm going to try to see it again this Thursday.

 

[sigp220.45]

Come to think of it, I THINK I saw one as well........ Ill try to remember to pay attention to that detail as I'm going to try to see it again this Thursday.

Its in the scene on the raid on the trapper/rapers - there is a shot of the right side and I think it has the flat-sided bolt like the oldies. I most definitely could be wrong, though.

Now that I've seen it I've been reading reviews. My take is that women are far more likely to give it a negative review, and social justice types also don't like it because they see the Indians are stereotyped as either savage or noble.

I liked the characterizations of the Indians who are along for the trip. Wes Studi and Adam Beach are initially shackled and put upon, but during the Comanche attack they prove themselves to be quite capable of doling out violence even in their restraints. Their women are tough and compassionate and resilient.

I was surprised they took a line almost directly from Unforgiven: "I've killed everything that walked or crawled." I don't think it was a coincidence.

They also paralleled one of my all-time faves, The Searchers. The final shot in The Searchers is The Duke standing outside a door, unable to enter the house because of what he has become. Check out the last scene of Hostiles - you'll see what I mean.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXUz-Nntyks[/ame]

 

[the ringo kid]

Its in the scene on the raid on the trapper/rapers - there is a shot of the right side and I think it has the flat-sided bolt like the oldies. I most definitely could be wrong, though.

Now that I've seen it I've been reading reviews. My take is that women are far more likely to give it a negative review, and social justice types also don't like it because they see the Indians are stereotyped as either savage or noble.

I liked the characterizations of the Indians who are along for the trip. Wes Studi and Adam Beach are initially shackled and put upon, but during the Comanche attack they prove themselves to be quite capable of doling out violence even in their restraints. Their women are tough and compassionate and resilient.

I was surprised they took a line almost directly from Unforgiven: "I've killed everything that walked or crawled." I don't think it was a coincidence.

They also paralleled one of my all-time faves, The Searchers. The final shot in The Searchers is The Duke standing outside a door, unable to enter the house because of what he has become. Check out the last scene of Hostiles - you'll see what I mean.

The Searchers Ending Scene - YouTube

Good catch--on the eding scene. I thought hat too but didn't want to say because it might have given too much away. I think it was some ones tribute to Duke and or to possibly Harry Carey Sr--or even John Ford. Duke doing that scene was his tribute to Harry Carey Sr.

 

[30-30remchester]

I do like the authentic knives in the show. From the military issue 1880 Springfield knives to Bale's belt knife common to the era.

 

[BigBoy99]

I haven't seen it and I don't intend to. I don't care for westerns and the last western I saw in a theater was: "Butch Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kidd."

 

[the ringo kid]

I do like the authentic knives in the show. From the military issue 1880 Springfield knives to Bale's belt knife common to the era.

I'm going to see it again this Thursday, so I'm going to see if I catch that certain kind of rifle and pay more attention to the knives as well.

 

[Kurusu]

I'm going to see it again this Thursday, so I'm going to see if I catch that certain kind of rifle and pay more attention to the knives as well.

That's why I rather buy the DVD then going to a theater.

 

[sigp220.45]

This is a movie that deserves the big screen. The cinematographer makes great use of the big Western landscape.

 

[Kurusu]

This is a movie that deserves the big screen. The cinematographer makes great use of the big Western landscape.

You got a point there, I'll probably do both.

 

[the ringo kid]

This is a movie that deserves the big screen. The cinematographer makes great use of the big Western landscape.

Im leaving to go see it again in a few minutes. Just bought the "early" showing 3:40 pm.