How about a NEW JHP that works in the Model 52 and is still GREAT for Snubbies

[colt_saa]

As the sign says, Federal introduced the new 130 grain HST projectile for the 38 Special cartridge 3 years ago

It looks like someone took the old story of loading the HBWCs backwards for a defensive round seriously

The factory ammunition has been Very hard to find

So how about projectiles for hand loading? Well I found a small supply and bought them all. It was only a few thousand

As you see the projectile has a cannelure even though the factory crimped them over front of the projectile just like Match 38 HBWCs. Loaded out to the cannelure provides lots more powder space.

These guys really open up at 38 Special velocities so I am not too sure how fast I would push them, but it is going to be fun learning

So has anybody else been working with these since their introduction ?

 

[Green Frog]

Cool! I’d never even seen them. I wouldn’t mind trying a box or two of the factory loads in my early K-38 and my Baby Chief, and if they worked buy a few hundred bullets to load myself. I’m not sure I’d ever use them in my 52-2 though, it just doesn’t get shot that much anyway.

Froggie

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

That looks to be the ultimate Model 37 load/bullet!

Ivan

 

[max503]

"So how about projectiles for hand loading? Well I found a small supply and bought them all. It was only a few thousand"
I like your definition of "a small supply". "...only a few thousand". If I told a non-shooter that I was nervous because I only had a few thousand rounds left they would think I was nuts.

 

[colt_saa]

"So how about projectiles for hand loading? Well I found a small supply and bought them all. It was only a few thousand"
I like your definition of "a small supply". "...only a few thousand". If I told a non-shooter that I was nervous because I only had a few thousand rounds left they would think I was nuts.

When I was competing and doing demos, I liked to have a two year supply of components on hand.

When I recently moved, I had 96,000 handgun projectiles sitting on this rack and the floor in front of it

I do not compete any more and my arms are sore from moving all those projectiles. The China Virus Crisis has helped me sell off 1/4 - 1/3 of these to folks that could not find what they were looking for. Thank GOD for the USPS Flat Rate Boxes

 

[colt_saa]

That looks to be the ultimate Model 37 load/bullet!

Ivan

I think this could be just the ticket for the folks that have the arthritic hands. These can be loaded for low recoil and still get superb expansion

They probably won't get high marks for barrier penetration (car doors, windshields, etc) but that is just fine

 

[max503]

When I was competing and doing demos, I liked to have a two year supply of components on hand.

When I recently moved, I had 96,000 handgun projectiles sitting on this rack and the floor in front of it

I do not compete any more and my arms are sore from moving all those projectiles. The China Virus Crisis has helped me sell off 1/4 - 1/3 of these to folks that could not find what they were looking for. Thank GOD for the USPS Flat Rate Boxes

You don't have to explain anything to me. I'm a bullet caster. I've got enough lead in my shed to sink a battleship. Well, maybe a small battleship.

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

looking

Havent found anyone who carries them--- yet,

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

FED WC

Cool! I’d never even seen them. I wouldn’t mind trying a box or two of the factory loads in my early K-38 and my Baby Chief, and if they worked buy a few hundred bullets to load myself. I’m not sure I’d ever use them in my 52-2 though, it just doesn’t get shot that much anyway.

Froggie

Have looked everywhere-- guess I will have to do without.

 

[andy52]

You don't have to explain anything to me. I'm a bullet caster. I've got enough lead in my shed to sink a battleship. Well, maybe a small battleship.

My best estimate is that I've got somewhere around 1000-1200 lbs of lead ingots don't know how many bullets that equates to it would depend on caliber.

 

[mikld]

Looks like a modern upgrade of the "Manstopper" bullets.

FWIW the old HBWC reverse load didn't work for me; shooting into wet newsprint some of the cavities would clog and no expansion. Some cavities just collapsed, no expansion. Some of the skirts separated, came off, no expansion. Maybe two out of nine or ten would expand as some said...

 

[colt_saa]

Have looked everywhere-- guess I will have to do without.

Once this China Virus Crisis is over, I think we will see more of this stuff hitting the shelves

 

[colt_saa]

My best estimate is that I've got somewhere around 1000-1200 lbs of lead ingots don't know how many bullets that equates to it would depend on caliber.

I have less than half of that, but casting for the 500 S&W Magnum opened my eyes

The heavyweight wad cutter on the right takes 100 pounds of lead to make 1000 projectiles

Even the little lightweight projectile on the left needs 65 pounds to cast 1000 projectiles.

I guess in a crisis, I need to go back to shooting a small bore

 

[Nevada Ed]

I would try to work up to 890 fps out of a 2", in order to match the 135 Factory Gold Dot ammo with a MV of 222.

The 130 at 890 fps has a PF115 and a MV of 828....... if doable.
I would start with BE-86 over the bulky Unique powder, do to the minimal case volume.
Ball powder will work with the right selection, if you have it.

Good luck.

 

[ddixie884]

Midway USA has these as blemished component bullets. They show as in stock. Free shipping over $49.00...............

 

[ralph7]

Interesting concept

Wonder what the velocity is on the loaded ammo out of a model 52?
Might want a stiffer spring to prevent battering.
Might be perfect for the guy that demands target grade accuracy from his defensive weapon.

 

[colt_saa]

Wonder what the velocity is on the loaded ammo out of a model 52?
Might want a stiffer spring to prevent battering.
Might be perfect for the guy that demands target grade accuracy from his defensive weapon.

I would not go running the factory +P ammunition in a Model 52 with factory springs.

However, if you took your HBWC recipe and simply substituted the 130 grain HST You would end up with a load that is pretty gentle.

But I bet the Model 52 with factory springs could take a bit more than that.

 

[ralph7]

I would not go running the factory +P ammunition in a Model 52 with factory springs.

However, if you took your HBWC recipe and simply substituted the 130 grain HST You would end up with a load that is pretty gentle.

But I bet the Model 52 with factory springs could take a bit more than that.

I agree with what you are saying, but would a HBWC recipe expand?

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

LOADING

I would not go running the factory +P ammunition in a Model 52 with factory springs.

However, if you took your HBWC recipe and simply substituted the 130 grain HST You would end up with a load that is pretty gentle.

But I bet the Model 52 with factory springs could take a bit more than that.

Well Maybe, but there wont be any +P loads through my 52. I have other guns for that.

I have seen some Barrys bullets with that sort of configuration but cant find any of those either.

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

in STOCK

Havent found anyone who carries them--- yet,

More interested in the Federal. I seem to remember where Federal was going to stop making components available???