How accurate are you at X distance?

[miles71]

7 yards 50 rounds center mass, threw a few out.


Tried the smaller target next . Not an m&p but still did ok.

TD

 

[Danno_man]

I don't shoot my M&P much, and i don't think i've shot it in over 6 months. Last weekend i had a 2 day handgun class. the first day i shot my 2011, then the next day i shot my M&P.
the first 10 rounds were shot at a 1" square target paster @ 7yards. this was the first shots fired that day to see how everyone could perform. The first group was ~3" due to 1 flier (first shot), the rest were ~1.5". Then we shot another 10rds at another paster. This time it was I was slightly larger than the 1" paster. Ammo was Blazer Brass 115gr

After lunch i switched to a G17 (which i've only put 50rds through about 2-3 months ago) and ran an evolution with it. After that evolution the instructor saw that some were getting sloppy with their shots, so we did a 5 round group at 7 yards. that group was less than an inch. At the end of the day we did another 5 rd group and it was still under an inch. Ammo was Blazer Brass 115gr

I know that i have solid fundamentals and it shows, even when switching guns.

I don't have photo's of the above, but here are some other's that i have.

This is from last fall, with one of my 2011's. 20rds @ ~15yards. the shots at 6 and 9 were on purpose because i couldn't tell if i was staying in the black or not. The black dot is ~1". Ammo WWB 115gr

The gun responsible for the group above

This is from ~2years ago when i first got this 2011 Tactical 4.15. this was the first 10rds group that I shot at 15yards. Ammo WWB 115gr

First outing with my DW Guardian, which was 3 years ago. this is the first 5rds @ 15yards. 1st round was the flier. Ammo WWB 115gr

This was 14rds & 15yards when i got my Reminton R1 3 years ago. the first 4 high shots were figuring out the sights are 15yrds. Ammo WWB 230gr

If you can't tell, I'm mainly a 1911/2011 shooter.

 

[Danno_man]

here's one of the drills that I do when i'm helping friends shoot.
VIDEO0048.mp4 - YouTube
VIDEO0030.mp4 - YouTube
VIDEO0031.mp4 - YouTube

Here is a target of 1 friend i helped out. I had him shoot his normal way on the target on the right. Then the target on the left i would hand him his gun with an empty or loaded chamber. The target on the right was only 5-6 rounds, and he knew he messed up when he pulled the trigger that caused the flier. This was shot at 7 yards.

just found another photo. This is from May when I shot a G17 after installing sights. This was only 5rds at 7 yards.

 

[aversusb]

Shield 9mm
Ameriglo pro i-dot sights (rounded rear single dot notch)
124 grn Armscor FMJ
7 yards - 8 round magazine
One Big hole! (with one flyer!)

 

[S&W Fan]

The is from my first range trip last week with my pre-owned but unfired M&P9C. This consisted of the traditional "failure to stop" drill=2 rds center mass fired as quick as possible keeping the finger on the trigger & firing the 2nd shot as soon as I hit the trigger reset point, then 1 head. I started at 3 yards, then 5, then 7. I saved the last 12 rounds for 15 yards where I double tapped center mass. Total of 120 rds fired.

The pistol is completely stock though I'm currently waiting for the Apex duty/carry kit to install, should be here in a day or two.

These were all with Federal American Eagle 115gr. fmj:

 

[Claymore_Dude]

Jeeze, I'm embarrassed that the compact guys are getting better groups than me. Haha, I changed my back strap to the medium and found a tremendous improvement with my grip. Hopefully this will close the gap. Also, thanks for the videos! I never used to be able to do that casing trick, but now I've got it done to 6/10 times. Still gotta keep practicing!

 

[cddanjr]

All these examples are great!

I have been shooting,

230g plated rn
4.8g 700x
1.20" oal.

at 7yds most are 5" with the warm up wild one.

200 lrnfp
5.1 700x
1.20"

a little better but still the occasional flyer/yip.

In a shoot challenge, 10 shot in a pie tin at 10yds in 10sec.!

it is fun to reload and shoot good groups

Chuck

 

[Claymore_Dude]

at 7yds most are 5" with the warm up wild one.



Chuck

Haha, I really laughed at that line. Thanks for the contribution!

 

[Danno_man]

Jeeze, I'm embarrassed that the compact guys are getting better groups than me. Haha, I changed my back strap to the medium and found a tremendous improvement with my grip. Hopefully this will close the gap. Also, thanks for the videos! I never used to be able to do that casing trick, but now I've got it done to 6/10 times. Still gotta keep practicing!

Keep practicing, i still do just about every other day. With the ammo shortage, you can get a lot of good trigger time with dry fire practice. Also make sure that you have a consistant grip as well. these little tips will help tighten up your groups in no time.

It's not the quantity of rounds that you send down range, it's the quality.

 

[Llando88]

So attached picture is from today.

I'm shooting the rental ammo in a rental S&W M&P standard sized pistol in 9mm, not sure of details.

Group of five at upper right at 3-4" is about the best I can do. Distance is 7 yards.

I am trying to consistently apply the fundamentals of marksmanship, but I have a question.

I'm having trouble keeping both eyes open, while at the same time staying focused on the front site. For years and years anytime I shot, I would squint with one eye open, and look at the target. My brain is having a hard time adjusting to the new sight picture where I see both rear sites, both front site and a real clear target.

You guys have any suggestions how to improve?

BTW my background = New shooter, have fired 1,085 9mm/.22 rounds so far this year.

 

[Bkreutz]

Practice, Practice, Practice.
Some people have trouble shooting with both eyes open, some can never master it. I think it depends how your brain is wired. If you shoot better with one eye, do it that way. If you have to shoot moving targets or... have to move your point of aim from target to target fast is where both eyes open really make a difference. Kinda depends on what you are wanting out of shooting. Sometimes shooting with one eye to build confidence and then working the other eye open into the process can work too.

 

[Just another 22 shooter]

don't have pic, but just come in from shooing a couple of magazines full.

Model: M&P9 Full Size
Ammo and Grain: Reload 124 hp and FMJ (one mag each)
Distance to target: 7 yards/21 feet
Size of grouping: 5.5"

I've just had the M&P9 a little less than a month and have 200+ rounds thru it. This was the first time I really concentrated on keeping a tight group with two consecutive magazines full. and I was pleasantly surprised. I have never shot handguns a lot; mostly shoot varmint rifles and trap and skeet. I'm really happy with the way this gun shoots. very comfortable and ergo correct for my arthritic hands.

 

[Danno_man]

I'm having trouble keeping both eyes open, while at the same time staying focused on the front site. For years and years anytime I shot, I would squint with one eye open, and look at the target. My brain is having a hard time adjusting to the new sight picture where I see both rear sites, both front site and a real clear target.

You guys have any suggestions how to improve?

The eye can only focus sharply on one object at a given distance, and not 3 objects at 3 different distances. So when shooting you want a sharp/hard focus on your front sight.

Here's a photo i took of one of my 2011's. In it, you can see that the front sight is in sharper focus and the rear sight is slightly blurred (as the serrations aren't in focus). This is what your sight picture to be when firing the gun.

Also when shooting groups, don't shoot, stop to look where your bullet impacts, then shoot and repeat. Pick a spot to aim at and fire your rounds.

 

[hangnoose]

aim at the same spot each time.

my Bro adjusts his point of aim with each shot practically, drives me crazy. get a good group, then worry about getting it centered. IMO. had a guy next to me constantly readjusting his poa. he finally drilled one dead center, and bragged and bragged. I hated to burst his bubble, but said, you were bound to hit it sooner or later. you hit every other part of the target and frame.

 

[Rastoff]

Good pic Danno Man. Here's the one I like for proper sight alignment and sight picture:

Note that the front sight is in sharp focus. There is equal daylight on either side of the front sight and the tops of the sights are aligned. The rear sight is out of focus and the target is out of focus.

Also, this depicts a 6 o'clock hold. I use a center hold because it's not distance or target dependent which the 6 o'clock is.

 

[Llando88]

The eye can only focus sharply on one object at a given distance, and not 3 objects at 3 different distances. So when shooting you want a sharp/hard focus on your front sight.

Here's a photo i took of one of my 2011's. In it, you can see that the front sight is in sharper focus and the rear sight is slightly blurred (as the serrations aren't in focus). This is what your sight picture to be when firing the

...snip...

Also when shooting groups, don't shoot, stop to look where your bullet impacts, then shoot and repeat. Pick a spot to aim at and fire your rounds.

Will try, it is just hard for me to do that.

Maybe I can use one eye to get 'sighted in' then try opening both.

 

[Danno_man]

Will try, it is just hard for me to do that.

Maybe I can use one eye to get 'sighted in' then try opening both.

a lot of dry fire practice will help. when i was first starting to get serious about handgun shooting, i used to be a 1-eye shooter. after a lot of dry fire practice over the years, i shoot with both eyes open. the dominant eye knows what it needs to do. For longer/precision shots, i'll close and eye, but when running/gunning, both eyes are open.

one thing that you can do is grab an empty toilet paper roll and look and an object (through the roll at arms length away) with both eyes open. close one eye and have the other open, if you can see the object through the tube, that is your dominant eye, if not, then it's your other eye. now with both eyes open, just look at stuff around the room (through the tube). that is pretty much what it will be like when shooting with both eyes open, your eyes will know what they need to do.

 

[Riflemann]

I have been getting 5" groups at 7 yards with my 5" M&P40L CORE. I also like shooting golf balls on the ground with a large sand pile as a back stop from 7-15 yards.

 

[tbc]

Lots of good advice here. Since the folks here include other platforms, I am going to join the crowd. My 5 shot group with my HK USP 9mm, single action, at 8 to 9 yards

And the sight pictures I used (not factory sights but Trijicon night sights)

 

[setxn]

With all variables considered,every firearm I own will put 1 round into 1 hole at any distance. No brag,just fact.