How can you reload for 3 or 4 cents a round?

I still use primers I bought for $18 a thousand, and I still use powder I bought pre-Obama. I cast my bullets with free lead I hoarded back when tire stores didn't want it. I use free brass I got from our firearms qualifications at work.

Combine all that, and my ammo is dirt cheap. I have splurged during the last several years and changed colors on my powder coating. Eastwood Ford Light Blue...

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Reloading costs

I started reloading in the early 70s. After a long break from it I started again about 15 years ago and have’nt stopped. For most calibers I cast my own bullets or buy from a local company. Last year I added .38 S&W and .32 S&W long lol . Primers are the only major problem for the time being. I was able to purchase a large qty of Starline for the .38 S&W as well as both Starline and PPU for ..32 S&WL at pre pandemic prices. I still have a large Qty of powder at pre pandemic prices. When I got back into
reloading I also upgraded my casting equipment and cast enough scrap lead and wheel weights into enough ingots to last for a long time. So for the for the time being bullets for 8 handgun calibers I reload for are not a problem. At this point all of the 3 to 4 cent each primers are gone. I am now working with primers that cost between 6.5 to 9 cents each. With the exception of the .38 S&W and .32 I am working with large quantities of brass that I got for free or from factory ammo that I purchased and fired years ago. So with the exception the 2 new calibers the cost of the brass has been written off. It looks like based on the price of the expendable components that I am using now it is costing me about 9 - 12 cents per round when using home cast bullets. I have always looked at reloading and bullet casting as a hobby in itself and very enjoyable. Therefore the time spent is not a problem and even given the higher component cost reloading is still worth the effort.
 
9mm reloads
$30/1000 primers,
$27/lb for powder,
Cast bullets with free lead
Brass already owned

$0.05/cartridge.
 
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How? 15 years ago you could buy a 5,000 primer brick for only $75.
15 years ago I was buying 4lb bottles of W231 for only $64. (still have almost 3 full bottles left)
1,000 158gr .358" SWC bullets were $36 IIRC.

That would be 6¢ per round and that's what I used to pay. Now that bullets are at least twice that price the cost is a bit more @ 10¢ a round.

The guys casting their own bullets with components from then could get the price down to 4¢/round with the free lead that was available then.
 
Today =Primers .10-lead $1.38 LB. Powder $40 LB.--- 9mm 100 bullets 130 grain<lead> weigh about two pounds. <$.0276 each> 9 pounds of lead will make about 450 bullets. IF YOU HAVE everything paid for and free brass<range> That is .15 cents a pop. One pound of Bullseye will make around 1700 9mm bullets. 1000 9mm factory bullets are about $550 and you can reload for $150. That's a $400 difference. You can load 38 special for about the same price. But I sure had a good time last night casting 450 9mm bullets. Two years ago I was reloading this for around $6 per 100.
 

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Today =Primers .10-lead $1.38 LB. Powder $40 LB.--- 9mm 100 bullets 130 grain<lead> weigh about two pounds. <$.0276 each> 9 pounds of lead will make about 450 bullets. IF YOU HAVE everything paid for and free brass<range> That is .15 cents a pop. One pound of Bullseye will make around 1100 9mm bullets. 1000 9mm factory bullets are about $550 and you can reload for $150. That's a $400 difference. You can load 38 special for about the same price. But I sure had a good time last night casting 450 9mm bullets. Two years ago I was reloading this for around $6 per 100.

That is about the way I figure it.

At current prices, the primer is the most expensive component in smaller pistol cartridges.

I too, like some others, are saving my primers for other cartridges that I save even more on and just buy factory 9mm for now.

Rosewood
 
308, 223, and 9mm buy factory. Everything else can be reloaded much cheaper including shotgun shells since in my area they are $9.99 to $15.99 a box
 
My situation is that while I have sufficient primers for any and all rifle shooting I plan to do (esp LR… I can see where I might run out of SRPs) and I’m using my LPPs pretty slowly these days, most of my reloading involves SPPs, so they have become my finite resource. With my health and some other considerations, this probably won’t come to pass, but if I get to shoot what I want to, those SPPs could be “the Wall”. :(
Froggie
 
With powder bought for less than $10 lb. And primers at $7.50 a brick.
Living on edge of Rust Belt, lead & tin fairly easy to get free. Brass and
tools are not factored in.
When shooting is your main focus you tend to be on the lookout 24/7 for deals. Others who have other interests tend to buy components like milk and bread, when they are out.
So at 7000grs to the pound of $10 powder with .75@ primers and a free cast bullet one can shoot up a storm on the cheap. Did I mention over the years buying up brass from non loaders for pennies or sometimes free?
 
Back about 40 some odd years ago I decided I was going to make my own ammo. That commercial stuff was just way too expensive. I've never figured the cost.
My mind is programmed to scrounge lead and cases. Lead is getting harder to find, but there is still enough out there to keep me going.

If you want to reload, do it. Forget the cost. It makes the difference between being a shooter or someone who owns a gun and shoots sometimes. Unless you are rich and you wife is clueless to your spending habits.
 
When I started reloading in 1972 many dealers stocked military surplus purchased in bulk, then sold in consumer quantities. Propellant powders were in barrels, dispensed by the pound, and carried home in paper bags or bring your own cans, typically about $2 per pound. Surplus primers were in wooden crates (probably 100,000 or more), sold by the thousand for about $4. Bullets shipped in barrels, then sold by the hundred.

Shotgun News carried ads from major suppliers shipping all over the country at very low prices. Powders that sold in the stores for $10 per pound could be had for $6. Primers that cost 4$9 per thousand retail could be had for $5 or $6.

I had two or three tire shops that I regularly visited to salvage used wheel weights. Spent some evenings on the police indoor range digging up the backstop areas, sifting out spent bullets, then replacing the sand for safe service. Salvaged lead plumbing from old buildings being demolished. Salvaged cast iron pot on a Coleman camp stove in the back yard, smelt, clean, pour into ingots (old muffin pan).

For .38 Spl, .45ACP, 9X19 I used to figure about $0.68 per box of 50 for primers and powder. That compared to $6 to $8 per box for new ammo.

Today, using primers and powders I stocked up on before the current crisis I figure about $2.50 to $3.00 per box of 50 (thus about 400% inflation over the past 50 years). That compares to $25 to $50 per box of new ammo (if you can find it).

When I run out of current supplies I will be back in the market for more powder and primers. My reloading costs will probably jump again, maybe triple or quadruple in cost. Even at that I'll still be shooting at half or less the cost of factory ammo.

The main point is that I am not totally dependent on ammo retailers and scalpers, and I can be pretty much assured of my supply. Throughout this crisis, and the last one, I have kept myself supplied as well as my two sons, several grandchildren, couple of brothers, and the occasional friend in desperate need.
 
Primers today are $.10 a piece so that blows $.05 a round out of the water unless you already own them. If you already own primers the price you paid is almost irrelevant. Whether you bought primers for $.01 or $.03, they are worth $.10 today. You could sell them for that much and you’d be paying that much to replacing.

With all that said, $.04 would be hard even 4 years ago when retailers where running sales and manufacturers had rebates in order to move product. $.06 would have been possible but that’s even 50% more than $.04.

People including supplies that they didn’t pay for always seems weird. I’ve got wheel weights for free and powder for free and primers for free at various points over the years so I can reload for free!!!
 
I believe in the thread on 9 mm where this came up bullet cost was quoted as $0.03 not cartridge cost.
 
Five years ago, assuming you had the brass, .45 ACP was 13¢ a round with market price primers, powder and commercial coated bullets.
Ball ammo was ~ 35¢.
 
I really don't care about cost of My reloads. I shoot a lot and I shoot what works in My guns. My hunting loads are tailored to My guns, My handgun loads are accurate and are cheap enough that I can still afford to shoot My 22's on occasion. And the 22's are the only ones I can buy 'off the shelf'.
P.S. My reloads average maybe 6-7 cents. Rifle, maybe 30 cents.
 
4¢ reloads (9 MM, 38 Spl, 40 S&W, 45 ACP) are very easy to do. Clinton / Obama primers for $20 per thousand, powder $20 to $22 per pound, 3 to 5 grain powder charges, and Bob's cast lead bullets from the garage.

The biggest cost factor is the RCBS melting pot and Lee / Lyman molds bought 25+ years ago except for the new Lee 6-cavity molds bought pre-Covid. Pre-Covid, I bought all the powder and primers I saw at gun shows, gun shop sales, or internet deals. My inventory was "overstocked", now it is down to "lifetime supply" at age 74.

I discovered monthly 50 yard, 22 LR bench rest matches at the local outdoor range. That got expensive with good deals on quality 22 LR rifles. I can load 2 boxes of 45 ACP ammo for the price of 50 rounds of 22 LR rifle ammo.
 
If you figure the cost of replacing today, the true value cost, of primers bought 10 years ago it is impossible to load anything for less than 10 cents, let alone 5.

Primers are my biggest expenditure mainly because I cast my own from range lead and WWs. Had about 100# of good scrap lead given to me two years ago so that helps too. On occasion I buy pure lead, now at $2/pound, for my BP guns and to add to WWs to bring the hardness down to about 12 BHN.

Buying commercial cast bullets is what for 158 gr 38 caliber? $40-50 per 500? That's 8-10 cent per. Haven't bought any in years. Jacketed are probably close to 50 cents each.

My standard target load of 3.5 gr of Bullseye will get 2000 loads per pound so even at $40/pd that's only 2 cents per load.
And new primers... well let's just call it a dime. We will figure brass as a gimmie.
So that's 8.5+2.5+10 = 21 cents per round hand loading with new components and already having brass and equipment on hand.

.21x50 = $10.50 for a box of 38 Special loads which is still a bargain.

The real pay of is when loading those hard to find calibers such as 32-20, 38-40, 45 Colt and the hard to find rifle calibers.

But I really miss the days of those 3 cent primers!

John
 

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