How Could G44 be only 10 rounds?

[challer61]

In this day where Keltec can get 50 rounds going in a .22LR handgun, why did Glock stop at 10? That would be the driving feature to get the G44 - otherwise my Ruger MII is great. Tied the Keltec - it just felt way to cheap to me and so sold it.

 

[pawngal]

So it can be sold in the states with 10 round limits.

 

[Trooperdan]

And so Glock can come out with a "New" model that will hold 30!

 

[GF]

To sell in states that limit to 10 rounds are probably the reason.

I've always heard that higher cap magazines for rimfire ammo is a hard thing to mfg and keep it reliable.

But if I can dream ... I'd like a big ol' 'nanner magazine for it in 22 cal like the 33 rounder in my Glock 19!

 

[lrrifleman]

I would suspect along the lines of what pawngal suggested. There is also the logistics and profit angle to consider. Marketing a high-cap pistol in a capacity limited state mandates manufacturing 2 or more different capacity magazines, which requires maintaining a larger inventory of taxable product (remember, zero inventory). Marketing a high-cap magazine as an option can be more profitable. They could also be considering the political climate.

BTW, which frame is the 44 based on?

 

[Fishinfool]

Based on the model 19, Glocks best selling pistol. Glock 19 holsters and mag carriers are supposed to fit. Sounds like a good understudy for the 19. I would be surprised if Glock doesn't offer a larger cap mag in the near future for this pistol. I am hearing about $370 or so as an estimated street price. At about 14 ounces, might be a good woods carry pistol if the accuracy is there.

Larry

 

[viceunit]

I've always heard that higher cap magazines for rimfire ammo is a hard thing to mfg and keep it reliable.

My Taurus TX22 16 + 1 runs flawlessly. If Taurus can do it, Glock should be able to make one blindfolded.

 

[GF]

My Taurus TX22 16 + 1 runs flawlessly. If Taurus can do it, Glock should be able to make one blindfolded.

You know, after I posted that I thought about the Butler Creek steel lip magazines for my 10-22's. They're reasonably priced and work very well.

There used to be a 22 rimfire machine gun (180?) with a 100 round drum.

I stand corrected, Glock needs to give me a high capacity reason to buy another 22 pistol.

 

[challer61]

My point was they are already using the newer staggered approach in the magazine. And they already deal with 10 and hi-cap for nearly everything in the lineup, so I don’t buy it.

 

[SWCZSIG-Vinny]

CZ offers 22LR 'Kadet Adapters' for a number of their most popular pistols.
Seems like a better approach to me if you want to train you get the identical pistol and trigger to practice with, just a different slide/barrel and magazine. No, they-re not cheap. But after you shoot a couple thousand rounds, you've saved more $ in ammo than the cost of the Kadet Adapter. Especially good if your safe is running out of room. lol

 

[Wise_A]

Magazine design and capacity isn't "how many cartridges can we stuff into this volume".

(1) You mention the Kel Tec CP33. For one thing, it's a rather large handgun. The G44 is designed to be a packable .22LR or a 19 trainer.

(2) The .22LR is a rimmed cartridge. You can't just jam them in a magazine, you have to ensure that the magazine is designed to position them properly so that the rim of one cartridge doesn't sit in front of the rim of the cartridge above it. The CP33 is susceptible to rim-lock, because Kel Tec didn't do this.

(3) The CP33 magazine is a double double-stack. The G22 uses a more reliable single-stack design. Most .22 trainers and serious target guns use a 10-round magazine for exactly that reason.

(4) 10 rounds of .22LR is going to satisfy most people just fine.

And no, before anyone chimes in that the "CP" in CP33 stands for "Competition Pistol", it is not. It's a toy.

 

[pawncop]

The American 180 used a drum style magazine.

 

[challer61]

Thanks for the lecture on what most us know.

Magazine design and capacity isn't "how many cartridges can we stuff into this volume".

(1) You mention the Kel Tec CP33. For one thing, it's a rather large handgun. The G44 is designed to be a packable .22LR or a 19 trainer.

(2) The .22LR is a rimmed cartridge. You can't just jam them in a magazine, you have to ensure that the magazine is designed to position them properly so that the rim of one cartridge doesn't sit in front of the rim of the cartridge above it. The CP33 is susceptible to rim-lock, because Kel Tec didn't do this.

(3) The CP33 magazine is a double double-stack. The G22 uses a more reliable single-stack design. Most .22 trainers and serious target guns use a 10-round magazine for exactly that reason.

(4) 10 rounds of .22LR is going to satisfy most people just fine.

And no, before anyone chimes in that the "CP" in CP33 stands for "Competition Pistol", it is not. It's a toy.

 

[Echo40]

Because Glock had absolutely no idea what they were doing when they made the G44. The G44 is just a lazy attempt to break into the .22LR pistol market because why not.
There was clearly no thought whatsoever put into the design of the pistol, hence why practically nothing about it is even vaguely competitive, much less innovative. If just a .22LR pistol presumably intended to compete with the lowest common denominator, and it doesn't even succeed at that humble goal, assuming that it was even its goal to begin with.

You know the old joke about Glock inventing the .45 GAP for no other reason than Glock wanting a cartridge with its name on it? Well the G44 is a pistol which seemingly exists merely because Glock wanted a .22LR pistol with its name on it.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Because Glock had absolutely no idea what they were doing when they made the G44. The G44 is just a lazy attempt to break into the .22LR pistol market because why not.
There was clearly no thought whatsoever put into the design of the pistol, hence why practically nothing about it is even vaguely competitive, much less innovative. If just a .22LR pistol presumably intended to compete with the lowest common denominator, and it doesn't even succeed at that humble goal, assuming that it was even its goal to begin with.

You know the old joke about Glock inventing the .45 GAP for no other reason than Glock wanting a cartridge with its name on it? Well the G44 is a pistol which seemingly exists merely because Glock wanted a .22LR pistol with its name on it.

How do you know? Have you shot one?

 

[Kanewpadle]

In this day where Keltec can get 50 rounds going in a .22LR handgun, why did Glock stop at 10? That would be the driving feature to get the G44 - otherwise my Ruger MII is great. Tied the Keltec - it just felt way to cheap to me and so sold it.

There is a rumor about 15 round magazines. I hope so. The folks at Glock aren’t stupid. I’m willing to bet they planned ahead.

 

[Wise_A]

Thanks for the lecture on what most us know.

So why are you complaining about the Glock 19 not holding fifty rounds?

 

[adwjc]

Thanks for the lecture on what most us know.

Apparently that is most of us other than you.

Most pistols on the market, especially those of decent quality, do not rely on freakishly large magazine capacity to set themselves apart.

There are many people (other than "magazine dumpers") who shoot pistols of this type and don't want to spend their range time loading a whole box into one magazine.

Someone competing in most competitive league environments will not be at a disadvantage with these magazines, and, as Kanewpadle says there is already a rumor about 15 round magazines.

More important than capacity would be reliability, safe operation, decent construction and general utility.

 

[adwjc]

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...You know the old joke about Glock inventing the .45 GAP for no other reason than Glock wanting a cartridge with its name on it? Well the G44 is a pistol which seemingly exists merely because Glock wanted a .22LR pistol with its name on it.

DHC, you overlook the often heard comment about those .45 GAPs that they opened up the use of .45s to those who could not physically handle their large frame pistols, the GAP being housed in the same size as their 9mm / 40 S&W sized frames. That was the selling point for some agencies that adopted them. OTOH, I wouldn't buy one because I consider it a soon to be orphan cartridge.

As far as bringing out a .22, Glock is a successful business enterprise because they sell what the market wants, not everyone want a PDW/CCW pistol. Plinking or target shooting a .22 can be fun, w/o the expense of centerfire ammo.
And there is always the training aspect of teaching someone to handle the platform in a light caliber, before moving up to real world ammo.

 

[misswired]

Having thousands of rounds through the TX22, the small pencil like barrel gets TOO hot to handle after dumping two mags of 16 rounds......literally TOO hot to hold in your hand. I have pondered how the plastic guide rod holds up under that much heat.

So the G44 has a polymer slide huh? Hmmmm.....