how effective is tha 32 S&W long round

Someone pointed out above that Teddy Roosevelt once recommended one of the 32s to NYC cops.....I remember reading this years ago and always wanted to ask if this had any bearing on Teddy making a statement for which he is perhaps better known.....something about packing a big stick.
 
Someone pointed out above that Teddy Roosevelt once recommended one of the 32s to NYC cops.....I remember reading this years ago and always wanted to ask if this had any bearing on Teddy making a statement for which he is perhaps better known.....something about packing a big stick.

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Eddie
 
Prior to 1896, there was no standard revolver issued th the NYPD. Roosevelt was chair of the board of commissioners, and appointed a committee to find the most appropriate gun for the job. Remember, by then he had served as a sheriff out west, so had some law enforcement experience. As a result of their tests, they (and he) chose the .32 Colt New Police. Teddy ordered 4,500 of them for the department. Here is a link to a nice story, with some really great photos, and some contemporary news articles:

Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - New Police .32

I'm not saying that this would be a viable choice for today's world, but it was a step towards bringing uniformity to the arming of the police. He also mandated training, and worked to eliminate police corruption, which was rampant prior to his tenure there.

Best Regards, Les
 
Gawd this thread is full of misinformation. Its almost like reading the local fishwrap/pravda. Lets start with...

As for the Keltec 32 being called dependable, Its not. Just more junk with a plastic looking dress. The problem with cheap and malfunctioning guns is you usually can keep trying with a revolver. With the automatic you've got to perform a jam clearing drill. Easy for most reading here, probably beyond most non-gun people.
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Dick Burg

OK Dick, you're certainly entitled to your own misinformation. I've been using the Kel-Tec P32 - (along with too many other firearms to even count over the past 50 years) - since it was first introduced, 20+ years ago. Have a couple of them, so does the wife and a few friends. Personally fired maybe 2000-3000 rounds through them over the years. They all work 100%. FMJ ammo and factory JHP. I changed the recoil spring at 1500 rounds, because I felt like I should. The entire magazine can be kept inside a 12" circle at 25 yards, far beyond its intended range. FMJ ammo penetrates 15-18" in tissue. JHP expands to nearly .40 and penetrates 9-14". When I worked in LE it was a fine backup piece in a pants pocket. Sometimes its the only gun I carry.

It's not finished in Royal Blue, doesn't have a splinter of wood anywhere on it, doesn't cost a week's pay at minimum wage, and the actual steel and aluminum pistol is contained in a plastic grip. You don't have to like it, but it works and its most definitely not junk.
 
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OK Dick, you're certainly entitled to your own misinformation. I've been using the Kel-Tec P32 - (along with too many other firearms to even count over the past 50 years) - since it was first introduced, 20+ years ago. Have a couple of them, so does the wife and a few friends. Personally fired maybe 2000-3000 rounds through them over the years. They all work 100%. FMJ ammo and factory JHP. I changed the recoil spring at 1500 rounds, because I felt like I should. The entire magazine can be kept inside a 12" circle at 25 yards, far beyond its intended range. FMJ ammo penetrates 15-18" in tissue. JHP expands to nearly .40 and penetrates 9-14". When I worked in LE it was a fine backup piece in a pants pocket. Sometimes its the only gun I carry.

It's not finished in Royal Blue, doesn't have a splinter of wood anywhere on it, doesn't cost a week's pay at minimum wage, and the actual steel and aluminum pistol is contained in a plastic grip. You don't have to like it, but it works and its most definitely not junk.

I like the P32 also and I own a few other 32s, but I feel like someone should point out that this thread is 3 years old and Dick hasn't been on the forum since 2018.
 
Is he any relation to James Bond?

No. It's the same feller. At that stage in the plot when the "baddies" invariably get him. :D

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So, would any one feel under gunned with this? I only ask because I love J Frames and have a 431PD waiting in my safe in case I end up where recoil from my 442 is too much for my old hands down the road.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/why-the-best-snub-nose-caliber-is-32/

Good point. I don't enjoy shooting 45acp as much as I used to, now that I bought a Taurus PT92. The Taurus is much more comfortable.
I could see buying a 32 revolver. Us old guys are good shots. We don't spray and pray.
 
About 2008 I emptied my S&W 30-1 into a strange acting raccoon that was stumbling around the carport of our mountain house. Several torso shots failed to kill it; so I put the last few into it's head. This was a mixture of various LRN and WC .32 S&W and Long ammo. In all fairness, this animal was nearly the size of a first grader. I was less than impressed.

Mag Tech and Buffalo Bore make modern SD loads in .32 S&W Long that work better than the ammo I used that day. That said, I love .32 handguns for their accuracy and light recoil. I have seven around here now.

I actually witnessed a similar occurrence involving a rabid raccoon on my front porch and a .38 S&W.

One morning there was a commotion on the porch in which my brother had stepped outside, saw the rabid raccoon and hurriedly scrambled back inside the house.
Worried that it would attack/infect somebody else in the neighborhood, my brother grabbed an old Iver Johnson top-break .38 S&W revolver off the mantle above the fireplace, went out the front door, circled around the house to the back porch, took aim and shot the raccoon in the torso. The raccoon barely flinched, it just stood up and started shambling away, so my brother emptied the whole 5-shot cylinder into the raccoon, then retreated because it still didn't stop it.

Later that day we found that it had crawled under a tarp we had over a pile of firewood and eventually succumbed to its wounds.

The most shocking part though was the state of the raccoon and the porch where it had been. We noticed that it had bled very little despite the fact that every shot was a hit, (although that could partially be due to dehydration) and also that all of the bullets had stopped inside of it because there were no exit wounds on the raccoon, nor were their any holes on the porch. And this wasn't a particularly large raccoon, mind you.

For reference, the raccoon had been shot with a total of 5 .38 S&W (not to be confused with .38 Special) lead round nose bullets, all of which stopped inside of it's body. I've seen .22LR pass straight through raccoons before.

So yeah, if anybody ever wonders why certain older cartridges such as .32 S&W or .38 S&W fell out of favor, it's because apparently they were so absurdly week that they can't even drop a raccoon with a full cylinder dump.
In addition, this is way caliber wars regarding the effectiveness of modern Self-Defense cartridges are so stupid. Because cartridges which were actually ineffective no longer have firearms chambered for them.
 
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I recently found the Luckygunner gel tests. I also know that gel is not humans yada yada and etc... but gel tests do show something. A .32 S&W Long wadcutter does indeed penetrate enough to be trusted for self-defense. I especially like the Buffalo Bore 32 S&W Long wadcutter as it moves pretty fast.

A .32 wadcutter penetrating 15-17 inch competes with a good number of name brand .38 Special hollow point rounds that bearly expand (.35-.37) and penetrate 11-13 inches. For the reduced recoil and 6 rounds in a j-frame I DO carry this combo.

I would never carry round nose in 32 Long.
 
If I had a gun chambered in .32 S&W Long, I would choose anything else that was close at hand.

Using the gun itself as a bludgeoning instrument would be more effective than shooting it.
 
I will add, however, that by Death Wish III he moved up to .475 Wildey Magnum, Browning .30 machine gun and LAWS rocket!

In the three years since this was posted has anyone found a good YouTube LAWS rocket gel test?

I mean sure, a 28,000 grain, 66 mm explosive projectile at 475 fps sounds like it will be effective but without a slow motion video of it hitting some clear ballistics gel how can we expect anyone to bet their life on this working effectively? If the factory rockets do not live up to their rated velocity do Underwood or Buffalo Bore make a real, full-power version?

Without such testing Charles Bronson should have stuck with the 32.
 
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Thirty two caliber revolvers? They’ll never catch on. Everybody knows they’re puny and inaccurate... nobody would ever want to carry or depend on one of these. (Except guys like me... my 32 HE in post-War transitional I-frame gets the nod for EDC.)

Froggie

PS I’ve never done a gel test, but put blind faith in Georgia Arms’ JHP rounds for social work.
 
The problem with the "mouseguns" is that they can lack penetration. Bullets are light and slow, and can be deflected by the sternum, rib, etc. They simply don't get to the vitals. If they do,they work just fine. The service calibers, by contrast, do have the mass and velocity to reliably penetrate.
 
I have a model 31-1 and reload for it. I also shoot it some. My impression is 32 Long is too light for a SD cartridge although it was a police cartridge for many years. These days people want a larger caliber with 1100 fps velocity for SD. The 32 Long was designed for about 750 fps. with a 100 gr bullet. That's not my idea of a SD load. If you have slow you need more weight like 230 gr 45 ACP.

My 31-1 stays in my safe. It's a range toy/bunny shooter.
 
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