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I agree. One does not have to go to Gun Site or wherever to be able to be safe with a gun or to protect themselves. I think some of that training is over done as in doing building searches and stairwell clearing. If your not a cop or an operative then it is mostly unnecessary. Take out several bowling pins and set them at various ranges and angles and go to work. I thank most people shooting for self defense shoot to far away. Bring those bowling pins in close and learn to shoot fast. That type of self instruction will go a long way to making you familiar with the gun and therefore a more safe gun handler.

I am in favor of a good hunter safety class, however in instilling the 10 rules of gun safety .
 
I also agree. However I also just took a 1 hr pvt class with an instructor, and I also plan to take a CPL 2 class which goes above an beyond the basic requirements of the State. However, if the training is not related to CC or basic marksmanship, I don't really see the point. I hope I NEVER have to fire my defense handgun, but I bet if I do, it will be at arms length and over before I know it (think Martin/Zimmerman).

I think if you carry a gun in public, you owe it to yourself and to the general public to stay competent and proficient with your CCW. My worst possible fear is to miss a bad guy and hit an innocent bystander.
 
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I have yet to see any documentation that there is a difference in result between the states that require training for a permit and those that don't.

Of course, that does not mean that folks in those states actually get any more, or less, training. And I am sure that it is better to understand the law and to practice shooting, etc. then not. But when the situation actually occurs, and action must be taken in a moment, it may not matter. Hard to know.

Ken
 
I've said this before but I used to think I did pretty good practicing on my own until I got a chance to attend a professionally instructed class. I wasn't 5 minutes into the class before I realized how much I didn't know. It wasn't until I got some hands on competent professional training that I realized how many areas I was completely over looking.

Once I started getting some regular training and corrective criticisms my skill level increased exponentially.

That said I am against any mandatory training standard for firearms ownership
 
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I'm in IL and have had my CCL for a little over a month. I wonder how many people are going to get their CCL, carry on at a least a semi-regular basis, but not shoot their EDC on even a semi-regular basis?
 
Anyone who say's no training is needed is a fool or ignorant. Training, as long as it is applicable and good done by competent instructors will save your life. You will ALWAYS fall back on your training, good or bad. My bride and will both be taking refresher combat courses in the near future as merely qualifying or range time is not training. It certainly helps with familiarity with the weapon and target acquiring but more is needed.
 
Training is always good. Yes, it is expensive but I think we need to train on a regular basis. No matter what it is, not just with firearms. It's a life experience and we all have just one. There's always something you can take home from a training class and you can have a lot of fun too.

I remember taking the mandatory (and paid for!) safety driving classes while being a test driver. That was an awesome experience, lots of stuff learned and lots of fun doing so.
 
BEEN DOING IT WRONG FOR FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS

Take it from me, a lesson or 2 early on would have made me a better shot than I am today, MUCH FASTER, with much less ammo spent doing things wrong. Money and time well spent.
 
I think it depends on the individual. If a person is strongly analytical there is much to be accomplished with videos on proper shooting techniques as well as safety. One thing that bothers me is the number of people who attend a "training" class and do not follow up with good quality practice. They quickly forget & go back to the old, bad habits. I think participating in competition like IDPA or USPSA provides a motivation to continue to improve and maintain proper gun handling as well as proficiency. It is easy to spot the people who have competed. They have a much more developed sense of where the pistol is than many of those that don't. They have a standardize form of safety rather than what uncle Jim thought was right.
 
I agree. One does not have to go to Gun Site or wherever to be able to be safe with a gun or to protect themselves. I think some of that training is over done as in doing building searches and stairwell clearing. If your not a cop or an operative then it is mostly unnecessary. Take out several bowling pins and set them at various ranges and angles and go to work. I thank most people shooting for self defense shoot to far away. Bring those bowling pins in close and learn to shoot fast. That type of self instruction will go a long way to making you familiar with the gun and therefore a more safe gun handler.

I am in favor of a good hunter safety class, however in instilling the 10 rules of gun safety .

There are plenty of reasons to do those searches unless your house is just one big open space square. You might not be doing any entry but if your house has floors, stairs, corners..et...etc. ..This is quite useful. Standing in an open space shooting bowling pins directly in front of you is no different than shooting at paper targets. If I heard a loud noise in the middle of the night in the basement I have 3 floors and 2 stairwells to clear and neither are straight down

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Didn't look at the link as yet.
This is an issue with two distinct parts.
First, there is the gun handling part which encompasses operation, maintenance and marksmanship.
Second, there is the legal red tape.
Rules of engagement, who what and when to shoot. Where to carry, where not to carry. The laws where you stand

The first part you'll get a mixed response from me.
I grew up with guns. There are not many that I do not understand, to include exotic futuristic concepts such as the rail gun and coil gun.
there are instructors who would learn more from someone like me, than we'd learn from an instructor.
Then I see the unwashed masses, who think they can get the job done with the ability to put 10 small caliber rounds into the area of a 5 gallon bucket at 15 feet.
They would certainly benefit from some training.

The legal side of it is nearly a universal yes. training is required.
The law where you stand can change dramatically while you walk down the road, even more so as you drive.
I don't care if you can stack 240 grain 44's on top of eachother at 100 yards off hand, You can handle your sidearm but that law thing might make you look like a total pleeb
 
I did not look at the link (yet).

I have attended defensive handgun trainings, most recently an "art of the snub" workshop with Michael deBethencort, who specializes in snub training.

I also have attended knife fighting workshops, as well as hands-on physical defensive "stuff".

Most all of my handgun "work" or practice is dedicated to self defense "stuff", and is close up, focused, and fast.

Most training is "good" training, and preferable to firing from 25 yd line at paper, and fooling oneself into thinking you are "good' with a handgun.
 
I want to remind everyone that training is only as useful as you make it. Like a gun, your training will only help you achieve your potential if you work it, learn it, apply it, and actually gain from it. There are far too many yahoos, both pretending to train others, and learning to train from professionals, out there who can make the experience worthless.

With the rise of "main streaming" and all the new kids in the "gun culture" comes a slew of people with more money than sense who will throw perfectly good money away on perfectly useless gimmicks, "tactical" equipment that actually reduces the effectiveness of guns, and also sign up for courses from every Tom, Dick, and Harry that claims false credentials, exaggerates credentials, or will tell you how being a traffic cop in a rich small community for 6 months qualifies him as an "operator". There are to many uninformed people, with too much money to feed a frenzy of junk guns, parts, and bad trainers, so its important you investigate potential trainers to make sure they are reputable, and not just some fancy looking goofballs willing to charge you big money for worthless lessons.

Then we have to take issue with those who simply want to be posers. They buy expensive, top end guns and optics on guns they don't learn to shoot, just to look cool. Same thing with training, there is always some rich person willing to blow some bucks to get a training certificate and not take the training seriously. Getting a gold star is important to these people, not learning an important lesson.

Lastly is the false impression people get that training classes automatically qualify you. Remember that a certificate and training lessons are as good as a gun; only as useful as you make them. Just because you took a class doesn't mean you took something valuable out, YOU have to put the work in and want it, and get it. The certificate or the pat on the back or the receipt for the service are of no value to you, unless that certificate is bullet proof. Only the gains you make, and apply count. Don't let the lessons and classes you take let you fall into complacency, they can be how some people treat a weapon in that they magically think it will ward off evil.

A friend of mine was a rich kid, growing up with world class golfers teaching him how to become a pro golfer. Despite all of this, he is a terrible golfer. Lessons learned, it boils down to your natural talent, dedication, aptitude, and training, with training only releasing potential, not really making the person better, and that training can be frittered away if not used correctly. There are men who have shot more rounds, attended more classes, with better guns, who can't beat others who do far less, who can learn, do learn, and apply themselves.

But it can't be reinforced enough that if you are not going to take lessons seriously and learn from them, don't waste your time and money, or the seat in the course. Its your time, money, and education, don't fritter it away.

Training a good thing, perhaps a requirement for CCW is not the worst idea. In many ways it does fulfill the part of regulated militia by requiring people to become better shooters and potentially better militia members. Should it be a requirement for owning a gun? No. But we should be doing more to promote marksmanship and general military capability of the general population, including promotion of high grade training classes, and perhaps expansion of good programs like the CMP.
 
What I remembered from the video was the impression that he was confusing owning a firearm with using a firearm in self defense. It seemed like he was arguing that people don't need training to own firearms safely, which is true, but he also was lumping self defense into that idea. The comment that sparked the video was to the effect that a person buying a gun for self defense without getting any training was going to get themselves killed if they get into a fight. It seems he took it as saying that a person OWNING a gun without getting training will bet them killed. I suggest analyzing his argument on that basis.
 
Most people can benefit from some training in gun safety, handling and legal matters but equally important is "mental rehearsal".
Think of your own daily situations and play "what ifs" in your head.
If you haven't role played in your mind as to what you should do in each situation, how you are going to react in an actual fight or flight experience will be any one's guess.
 
I guess I'll have agree with the Marshall that training isn"t necessary for a citizen to own a gun. The problem comes in when the citizen buys ammo and loads it.

I don't think the importance of someone showing a new gun owner how it operates and rigid adherence to the basic safety rules can be overestimated. I've owned guns for a long time but I would not think about buying a new one for defense and not at least shooting it enough to make sure its reliable.
 
I must start by saying that Since it was 'Yankee Marshal' doing the video, I didn't watch it. I can't stand the guy.

Training of some sort, whether it be only Intro to shooting, or going on to Defensive Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun classes is always a wise purchase. There are a LOT of 'Self Taught' people out there at the local ranges that know nothing of firearm safety (ie: finger on the trigger as soon as they pick the weapon up, not keeping it pointed down range, etc), let alone the rest of the fundamentals.

Practicing with bad fundamentals won't make someone better, it will only ingrain those bad habits, waste ammunition and money. If anyone wants to waste money (or ammunition), send it to me! :)
 
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