How is the 5900-series any lower quality a gun than the CZ75,P226, M9,GP35,etc?

[scoobysnacker]

A shortened version of my above post (with the Sig P226 and the 5906 added)

Frame
Steel

• 5906
• CZ 75
• Hi-Power
• Star 30MI

Aluminum

• 915
• Sig P226
• Beretta 92

Beretta and Sig have steel frame options at a premium price

Safety
Frame

• Hi-Power
• CZ 75

Slide

• S&W
• Beretta
• Star

oddball safety trivia

• Sig decocker only, on the frame
• CZ cocks and locks, you can get a decocker model
• Star has slide safety that doesn't decock; total opposite of Sig design
• S&W does have some models that work like the Sig design, rare to find

Shooting style (DA/SA etc)
DA/SA

• Beretta
• S&W
• CZ
• Star
• Sig

DAO

• S&W
• Beretta
• Sig

SA

• Hi-Power
• CZ

Production
current

• Beretta
• CZ
• Sig
• Hi power (FN/Browning)

out of production

• S&W
• Star

 

[scoobysnacker]

Thanks for your great comparison of those pistols.
I just have one observation.
If you factor in MecGar mags, they also offer a flush fit 17rd mag for the 5900/915.[emoji106]

Yeah, I only brought that up because the original mags on the HP are 13, and everyone else has 15 rd minimum.
Pretty sure you can get flush or near/flush mags that hold 17+ for each gun. I have a couple CZ mags made for the SP01 that hold 18, I have a couple for Beretta that I want to say are 18 or 19, etc.

Side note- if I were to remove the Star's mag safety, I understand I can use 59xx mags in that pistol too.

 

[Mark IV]

Someone's been telling you lies.

I'm sure the pistols listed above are all fine examples, but the 3rd Gens "inferior" I don't see it.

A little reading comprehension goes a LONG way,broughams .
The whole point in he OP was that I felt the 5900's were NOT inferior to these pistols, and said so more than once:

"I can't identify any definable reason that the S&W 5900's should be any less desirable than these others.."

"...though they seem to match up virtually identically in most observable,relevant criteria..."

"....I think the S&W's are a victim of numerous biases,preconceptions, and prejudices that cause many to turn a blind eye to the stellar performance of these American-made work-horses..."

"What I'm wondering here is, is there any discernable,substantive,quantifiable way that these other renowned pistols are significantly,provably superior to the gen3 Smiths...... ?
I'm gonna go ahead and say, "no, they ain't." "

Feel better now?

 

[85V65Sabre]

A little reading comprehension goes a LONG way,broughams .

The whole point in he OP was that I felt the 5900's were NOT inferior to these pistols, and said so more than once:



"I can't identify any definable reason that the S&W 5900's should be any less desirable than these others.."



"...though they seem to match up virtually identically in most observable,relevant criteria..."



"....I think the S&W's are a victim of numerous biases,preconceptions, and prejudices that cause many to turn a blind eye to the stellar performance of these American-made work-horses..."



"What I'm wondering here is, is there any discernable,substantive,quantifiable way that these other renowned pistols are significantly,provably superior to the gen3 Smiths...... ?

I'm gonna go ahead and say, "no, they ain't." "



Feel better now?

It was a joke!
My apologies.

 

[mbliss57]

I think a couple of you hit on it..is is solely a matter of not being in production anymore. You can'y advertise what you don't make anymore. The decision to blindly follow the polymer Glock model was not a very smart one. They could have easily taken both paths. And would be selling 3rd gen..probably by now 5th gens. But they didn't and so 3rd gens are at least 15 years old and many much older.

 

[rwsmith]

Isn't it amazin'.....

Isn't it amazin' how S&W could put out a comparable pistol at a lower price. I don't feel ANYTHING on my 5943 that feels or looks chintzy.

 

[Jaymo]

Inferior? No. My 4 3rd gens are accurate, reliable, well made, and durable.
Plus, they will cycle empty brass from the magazine.
Needless to say, they've never choked on any kind of ammo I've fed them.
Mine have triggers as good as or better than most other DA/SA autos.
Perhaps not the very best triggers in the world, but nowhere near bad (as opposed to a factory Glock trigger pull).

The only reliability issue I've had with a 3rd gen was caused by worn out mag springs (early 6906).
3 of the 4 were cop trade-ins.

Prior to my 3rd gens, the only guns I had personally owned that would cycle empty brass were a Tokarev and a CZ52. They only were able to do it because of the bottlenecked brass.

While its true that my CZ82 has a better trigger than my 3rd gens, it also has a better trigger than any DA/SA auto I've owned.

The only one of my 3rd gens that I haven't shot yet, is my 5906.
I expect it to be just as reliable as the 5946, 6906, and 4566.
Load, fire, repeat until you run out of ammo or range time.

 

[scoobysnacker]

Isn't it amazin' how S&W could put out a comparable pistol at a lower price. I don't feel ANYTHING on my 5943 that feels or looks chintzy.

I'm not sure this would be the case if these were still in production. Used 5906's are bargains at $300-$400; but you find used CZ's and Beretta's at about the same price point, and they're still being made.

My guess is that Sig would still be the most costly, with S&W and Beretta in a virtual tie, and CZ generally just a bit less.
And all four are fine pistols.

And really, like another poster stated, the Hi-Power doesn't fit into this group. It's more closely tied into the 1911 market.

 

[Mark IV]

It was a joke!
My apologies.

Oh. Well, ok then !!

 

[ISCS Yoda]

In MY world the 3rd Gen Smiths are quite the equal of all listed....I own and shoot all mentioned.

Randy

Ditto, except I don't own ALL mentioned, just some. But I've shot most of them.

I love third Gen S&Ws. I routinely carry a 6906, sometimes I carry a CS-45.

They are wonderful!

 

[brianh75]

In the mid-90s when I first started buying guns the service size 9mm market was pretty much dominated by 4 guns. Sigs P226, Berettas 92FS, Glocks 17, and S&Ws 5906. When I purchased the Sig was out of my price range and I hadn't quite become ready to jump into polymer so the 92 and 5906 were it. I went with the 92 due to peer pressure and a few other factors but having shot all 4 the 5906 is just as good as them. If DAO is your game there is no 9mm DAO non-striker fired handgun that I've ever shot that comes anywhere in the ballpark of a 5946.