How many carry "old" 3rd gen pistols?

Sure they're still reliable. Age by itself doesn't change reliability.

I did at one point 10 years ago. Then intermittently over the last few years until I sold my last 3rd gen a little over a year ago

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I have a S&W 3953 on me right now.
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My first carry gun (and first handgun I bought) when I turned 21 was a brand new 457. I've been thru an assortment since then. Nowadays, I mostly carry an LCP, for convenience sake. If I want a bigger gun, it's the 3913.

I usually carry a full size when traveling, and until recently, it was a 59. Snagged a M&P 9 2.0 a couple months ago and have fallen totally in love with it. If/when they come out with a compact or shield 2.0, that may replace the 3913 as my winter carry. That said, I would be just fine with the 3913 as my only carry option.
 
Probably more reliable than almost any pistol out there. They don't lose their reliability because someone makes a different gun.

I asked a similar question a while ago on a different forum. The answer I got was that they were no more or less reliable than anything else in their class/Tier. Those who carried them on the job had mixed reviews. Some had their department send back entire lots due to failures while others never had a problem. One guy had serious issues with his 4586

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"Smith 4586 was my first duty weapon and at times it made a better bludgeon than a sidearm. There were two big problems...One was the magazine followers and springs. They came in green and orange but, you wanted black. These weren't new issue guns. The second big issue is that they were like a Swiss watch inside. Lots of levers and lots of teeny parts. I had the DAO which omitted the manual safety. Heavy trigger.

I remember my night sights dying and extractor going bad and the armorer was a bit of a....different person. I couldn't get through a mag without tap rack bang. He finally believed me and replaced said parts.

With Zero or WWB it could still occasionally hang up. But with +P Rangers it was noticeably better.

There's still nostalgia for the pistol but it wasn't without flaw"

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"I hate to be the voice of decent, but here goes:

I work for an agency of about 1,100 officers, depending on the year and the economy. My first issued gun was a S&W 5906. The gun was ok, but not so much in the accuracy department. Bench rest at 25 yds, 4.5" was about as good as it got. The newer guns issued out when S&W started using MIM parts were more accurate. These were easily identified as the MIM hammers were black.

The extractors sucked. We would buy spare extractors by the gross. I had this gun about 5 years. Went through two extractors. Broke one while shooting a dog that had bitten me once and wanted seconds.

We transitioned to the 5946. This was a more accurate gun than my pre-MIM 5906. This gun was also made just prior to a period where S&W upgraded and replaced a lot of their machinery with new CNC machinery. The DAO trigger took some getting used to though. In time it smoothed up to where it wasn't bad, for a DAO trigger. (Side note, I hate DAO triggers)

This gun uses the same extractor as the 5906. It still sucks. It's too thin. The 9mm guns we saw that were made in the custom shop used a larger extractor, either the 40 cal or the 45 cal, not sure, but it was explained to me by the LE sales rep carrying a custom shop pistol.

I had the 5946 for about 8-9 years when the agency started seeing issues with the guns. The armors just kept a box of parts on the firing line so as to not disrupt training. Parts needing replaced were guide rods and/or barrels. The issue was the little notch where the guide rod rests in the barrel.

Our last year with the 5946/6946, we estimate about $80k worth of parts were used to keep the guns up and running. We estimated the round count before a pattern of issues showing up to be around 30K for the 5946 and about 20K for the 6946.

When we transitioned away, officers are permitted to buy their issued gun for what the trade in value would be. I declined.

When looking for our new gun, the agency received the first 3 9mm M&P's to leave the factory. Some minor changes later and the production guns started shipping.

Now after almost seven years of carrying the M&P, I can honestly say I don't miss my 5946 at all.

I do own one 3rd gen Smith auto though, my favorite 3rd gen gun they ever made. A 3913."
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RV4driver I had a similar experience. I spent the last 18 months working part-time as an instructor at the local range. Helping them cope with the huge number of new shooters. The vast majority of the new shooters being female.

I would have them try all the popular current production guns. The XDs9, G43, PPS, shield, G42. They disliked all of them, for various reasons. But the one constant dislike was felt recoil.

I had the ones that couldnt find a gun to suit them shoot my 3914. Everyone of them had to have one. They couldnt understand why it was no longer in production. I sent them to Gunbroker and every one of them got a 3914 or 3913. For awhile there were no 3914s available on Gunbroker. ;)

Great guns. That they are no longer being made available for sale is just one more stupid decision by the current company calling itself s&w. Regards 18DAI
 
My 6906 is still in my carry rotation, usually when I am wearing running shorts or sweat pants because it lives in a fanny pack. As long as a gun is reliable, accurate, you have magazines to feed it, and it fires an effective round that is still produced, why not carry it.
 

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My daughter had a similar experience when she was taking her state required class. The instructor is a friend of mine and asked me to bring along a couple of guns for the class to try.

I brought along my 6906 and M&P9c. She loved the 6906 and shot it well. Being left handed, she really liked the ambi safety on the 6906. She HATED the M&P. Not so much the recoil as the incredibly hard time she had cycling the slide and that it was impossible for her to load more than 7 or 8 rounds in the 10 round magazine.

She lives in Texas now and I'd lover for her to get her LTC. I'd pay for the class and find a nice single stack 3rd Gen for her.

That's if your students don't buy them all up!! :eek:

I usually carry my pre rail 3913TSW, as I am as I type this. Sometimes it's one of my other compact 3rd Gens and occasionally my 457.

So, yes I carry my antique 3rd Gens.



RV4driver I had a similar experience. I spent the last 18 months working part-time as an instructor at the local range. Helping them cope with the huge number of new shooters. The vast majority of the new shooters being female.

I would have them try all the popular current production guns. The XDs9, G43, PPS, shield, G42. They disliked all of them, for various reasons. But the one constant dislike was felt recoil.

I had the ones that couldnt find a gun to suit them shoot my 3914. Everyone of them had to have one. They couldnt understand why it was no longer in production. I sent them to Gunbroker and every one of them got a 3914 or 3913. For awhile there were no 3914s available on Gunbroker. ;)

Great guns. That they are no longer being made available for sale is just one more stupid decision by the current company calling itself s&w. Regards 18DAI
 
That's what I carry almost exclusively! Mostly a 3954 but sometimes a 6946. Also will carry my 6904 or 3913 both converted to single sided safely. My son-in-law is 29 and loves all the new stuff, builds AR's, ect. but he carries a 3953TSW or a 2.5" 66-3.

Outdated? No way. They just aren't too well known to under 40 shooters and I hope it stays that way...if they find out there won't be enough to go around!

My 3954, 6946 and 4053. Life is good.
 

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Here's the way I look at it. I have a 3913, & would trust my life with it. But it was hard to find, & if I need to use it, & go home that night, my 3913 will sit in an evidence room for a year, & I may, or may not get it back. So I carry a Shield, so if it goes to the evidence room, I go to the store, & get another one for $300. So I do NOT carry my nice guns. Just ones that can be replaced cheaply in 10 minutes. GARY

I understand this point-of-view, even though I don't agree with it. The two 3rd Gens of mine that get carried were both purchased for under $300 (and show it in appearance). They use the same mags as my nicer examples, but I don't have to beat up the pretty ones, while still getting all the function.

I understand that the market is not flooded with sub-$300 3rd Gens, but they're out there if you're patient.
 
I used to...

I stopped when I retired and went to a J frame instead, because I was not driving to work in the dark at 6 AM through town...
But I saw one for sale yesterday, and I'm still thinking about buying it.
No better 9mm pistols made by anybody, IMO.
 
I don't carry it much any more but I do keep a 6946 in my truck at all times. It hasn't left in years except to get an occasional range trip. Carried a 5906 for years, never missed a beat. The older I get the better a little J frame feels in my pocket.
 
I don't own the quantity of 3rd gen's that some folks have collected over the years, as I was only looking for some smaller off-duty additions now and then, but I have a fair representation of that category.

I own a 3913, CS9, CS45, 3913TSW (late production), 4513TSW (original cutaway grip frame), 4013TSW and 4040PD.

The newest 3913TSW has seen the least amount of use, as it was only pulled from inventory (in NIB/unissued condition) to replace my issued 4513TSW a couple of years ago. I bought it when we were given the opportunity to buy one previous duty weapon, but I doubt it's seen more than a thousand rounds (if that) in the short time I carried it before it was replaced with an issued M&P40.

The 4040PD has seen the next least amount of range time, probably totaling no more than 2K rounds fired (it spent a long time in the safe from when I bought it in '05, and then decided to get it out and start shooting it again a couple years ago).

I've done a pretty fair amount of shooting with my other 3rd gens over the years, as they often replaced my issued weapons for range sessions when I was working as an instructor (and I'd get bored shooting the various issued weapons all the time).

I suspect my original 3913 ('98 production?), 4013TSW and my CS45 have seen the bulk of rounds fired over the years. At least a few thousand rounds each (and I was trying to wear out the CS45 for a few years ;) ).

I've done some preventive maintenance replacement of springs over the years, and some occasional replacement of older parts with newer, revised parts (just because I could, as an armorer), and had probably a mag spring go a little too long before replacement at one time or another (like in the CS45), and I've periodically done armorer inspections of all of them.

However, aside from a sear spring pin in the 4013TSW having to be replaced (due to something I'd stupidly done to it), I haven't really had to dip into my spare/repair parts collection over the years.

A close friend of mine (another retired instructor) has owned a few 3rd gen's, which he shoots a lot more than I do, because he lives in the low Sierra's and built a range on his property many years ago.

He did manage to have an original 3913TSW frame develop a weird crack at the front of the frame dustcover, which the factory said was a weird place and rare. It happened at somewhere between 12-15K rounds, and they replaced the gun with a new 3913TSW.

His new 3913TSW is now many years old, and he said he likes to shoot it a lot, like almost everyday. I can't force him to keep it clean ... but I did give him a supply of new factory recoil springs a few years ago and told him to replace the spring at least every 5K rounds fired.

A few months ago he brought me the now very well-worn 3913TSW for an inspection, and I noticed the extractor had a small chip in the hook's edge. Now, S&W 3rd gen's have often been reported to function normally even with chipped extractors, but a chipped extractor is a chipped extractor ... so I filed and fitted a new one for the gun (and replaced the extractor spring with a new one that gauged out in the normal range on the force dial gauge). Test-fire of the replaced extractor confirmed feeding & extraction was, as expected, normal.

He's hard on his guns, though. HARD. Borderline ( :rolleyes: ) abusive.

I found chunks of sawdust inside one of his SW99's one day, and he just shrugged and said he'd been wearing it while doing some fence work, but that the gun had fired and functioned just fine before he'd brought it by for an inspection. :mad:

I had to replace the ejector (molded into the sear housing block of the 99's) in one of his full-size SW99's back several years ago. As best he and I could guesstimate, he'd fired in excess of 52K through that SW99 before the ejector broke.

Bottom line, the 3rd gen's are pretty robust, reliable and durable guns. The 9's and .45's generally seem to run longer, with less wear & tear, than .40's, but the .40 is hard on guns.

Keep them clean and lubed (especially important with the aluminum frames), and don't be stingy about replacing recoil springs. As was observed by an armorer instructor in a Glock class, fresh (recoil) springs help keep guns alive. No need to let them become battered.
 
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My 6904 looks as grizzled as me, although all it springs are fresh and night sights bright. I have carried it all over the country and if it were to go into an evidence locker I would be sad but it will have done its job. I trust it absolutely to protect family, property and home, it will do its job well as long as I do mine. It wont languish in a safe worrying about losing it. The 6904 has a Job to do and it will continue to serve
 
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