How many on here are amature astonomers?

Andy Griffith

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The kind that look at the sky- not the ones that tell your fortune. :p ;) (That's an astrologer, or rogue, IHMO.)


I'm not, but I'm fascinated by it.

I guess if there is a professional or two here- that'd work too. :)

I'd like to buy a nice telescope for around $500 or so...
What's the best one to get?

Also, is there a good star charting program for the computer? Something to teach me quickly the basics?

I need to learn this, so I can tell for myself when to plant, harvest, and make better gun deals. :p
 
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Most astronomers (pro and amateur) suggest getting a good pair of binoculars and a star atlas (Nortons is my favorite) and learning your way around the night sky first. Then I would find a local club and go to some of their outings. It's a good way to use a lot of scopes and see what you like best in the field. Amateur astronomers tend to be like the people on this forum: they are friendly and eager to help people new to the hobby. Just don't buy a Wally World or department store scope. You will get frustrated quickly and give up.

Astomomy software can be very entertaining setting at you desk, but is of limited usefulness at the telescope.
 
Andy.
If you are going to spend $500-$800, spend it on a good set of 8x-10X-12X bino's. 12X are wobbly and almost require some sort of stability/brace.
I use a set of 8X56 Steiner NightHunter bino's and have watched the ARIZONA desert skies for years. Bino's let you see the same sky as your eyes only just a little loser and clearer. Get bino's with big objective lenses, there is not much light out on the best of star gazing nights and big lenses let in all the light.. Telescopes look at stars, but won't see a local constellation.
I frequent the discontinued book racks at bookstores and have several variations of "STARS for Dumbies", "STARS made simple" and such. There are great web pages, "YOURSKY" and many other full of data. NASA has some good ones. Books will have chapter on optics.
Books are great because you can take them outside and hold them up against the sky and compare. A comforatble reclining lawn chair is essential. The clearest stars are high above you. Less atmoshere to look thru.
I bought a set of Steiner 20X80 bino's and those require a tripod. They are terrible for watching stars, not enough light gets in. They are great for watching the moon. It will give me a head ache because of the brightness of the moon..
Benson ARIZONA has a bed and breakfast that is an observatory. Rent a room, spend the night gazing at the stars and sleep all day.
ARIZONA has some really clear sky and large observatories.
Cheap telescopes are plastic and have wobble in the gears and moving parts and questionable lenses.
Better off buying quality binos. Quality telescopes are expensive and you look at one star at a time. I went to a telescope store in Tucson and went out in the field with them. Good teles are great for what they do, very specilaized tool. The average man will find better uses for a good set of binos.
One man's opinion.
Bill@Yuma
 
My husband's the astronomer. He has a big Meade Cassegrain like this that he's dragged around for years. The downside is it's a pain to drag outside and set up.

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So he brings out the little Orion refractor like this:

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And we also use the Orion Mini Giant binoculars (9x63) and lawn chairs.
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Your best bet is to know what you're looking for. The moon is always a good place to start. Then Jupiter and its moons and Saturn's rings. Don't expect to see any of it like you see it in pictures in the astronomy magazines.

Look at sky atlases for what's coming up when and for events like eclipses and Saturn's rings at their widest, etc. Astronomy Today's Guide to the Night Sky
The Night Sky Atlas

Charlie's good. He can locate things like the Beehive Cluster and different nebulas and galaxies. He's been doing this for 45 years.
 
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I am a planetarium technician...and get this question all the time.
I would recomend joining a local astronomy club...many of the people in these clubs will be happy to help out any way they can. Also you can learn alot from them.
As already said binos are nice for a wide feild of view, but for looking at planets, nebulas, or galaxies you will a telescope.

If you learn your way around the night sky, there are many things to look at through a telescope.
In the $500 price range you can get a nice dobsonian (probally 8" or maybe 10" appature).
Dobs are nice b/c there are no motors or gears to worry about ( no need to calibrate)
Orion makes a nice scope with a metal tube...The link below is a 10" for $499 ...this is a great scope for a beginner.

Orion SkyQuest XT10 Classic Dobsonian Telescope | Orion Telescopes

I will be happy to help if you have any questions...I have been star watchin' for over 15 years and have a degree in space science if that means anything...I am always happy to see people interested in astronomy...let me know if I can help in any way.
 
I have a 3 inch refractor, and a 6 inch Newtonian. One thing to know about Telescopes is that they are like guns. You know how everyone always says that the BEST gun to have in a gunfight is the gun you have with you? Well, it's sort of the same with telescopes.

If you buy a huge 8 inch light bucket that takes 4 people to move, what's the (real) chances that you are going to lug it up onto the roof just because Saturn is supposed to be visible at a nice angle tonight? I personally would like a bigger scope (than my 6 incher) to MAYBE get into Astral photography. On the other hand, my 6 incher is just small enough for me to lug up the damned stairs because of (pick one):

1. OH! Hey! There's Venus!

2. Say, is that Saturn? (After long enough, and I've had telescopes for about 40 years now -- and I'm 52, you get to sort of recognize a lot of stuff for WHERE it is in the sky, WHEN it is in the sky, etc., etc. .)

3. Wow! There's Jupiter! Right beside the moon! That's worth a look!

4. Orion's Belt looks bright tonight. (There is a "star factory" just under the middle star of Orion's belt.)

5. What's that up there? Is that frickin' MARS??? (Which, no matter how many emails you receive saying otherwise, will NEVER appear as big as a dime in the night sky no matter how frickin' close the Earth and Mars are in their respective orbits over the next -- or last -- 50,000 years.)

...and any other number of things that might make one decide, on a nice night (I'd say summer night, but here where I am you can get "nice" nights on any particular month of the year) to lug the thing up those stairs.

I mean, some guy with a huge 8 or 10 inch light bucket that costs thousands of dollars (that I can't afford) might not get the viewing time I get with my 350.00 dollar 6 incher that I bought at Costco ten years back. Why? Because I'll carry mine up the damned stairs if I see something up there while I ride my motorcycle home in the evening that might be worth a peek.

Things you should look for are: well, you don't need an expensive mount for photography if you aren't going to get into Astral photography. I have had telescopes since I was 11 or so, and I have done SOME moon photography (which was really a bummer, because all my stupid friends said "WOW!!! GREAT SHOT OF THE MOON! WHO TOOK THAT???" They didn't believe me when I told them that I took it by hooking up an old Canon SLR camera to the lens adapter and then to the Telescope adapter and did a slightly delayed exposure with 400 film. I'd love to get into digital astral photography, but I don't even HAVE a digital camera, so I'm one to talk.). But I've never got into Astral stuff, with digital cameras and equatorial mounts and stuff like that. I mean, that's an expensive hobby, and I'd rather buy guns and primers and stuff, so it's just not practical to do anything more than dream about it.

AND, if you don't go the "photo hog" route, you have more choices in viewing scopes. You can get a great scope for the 500.00 bucks you talk about spending. You CAN'T touch Astral Photography for 500.00 bucks, but you CAN get great viewing scopes to impress the wife, kids, next-door-neighbours etc., etc. . Saturn NEVER fails to impress. Jupiter same-same. The moon is pretty fantastic on the right night. Full moons aren't so great, they are too bright, you need filters. But a half or quarter moon is something to see close-up.

Go get some "Sky and Telescope" issues, and start reading them. Learn your way around the night sky, and remember: you will NOT see the same thing through your back-yard telescope that they see through the Hubble. If you could, they wouldn't have had to dump all that money into the Hubble. All those colors and hues, they come out over long-exposure photography with time-exposure mounts that compensate for the Earth's rotation. (Everytime I say "Earth", I think of my old Ukrainian Geography teacher from high-school -- dead for a decade now -- who used to tell us in his homeland accent "Put me ANYVHERE on dis here Oit an' I vill fine my vay home.") There are other Astonomy magazines as well. Most of them have a "Worth looking at this month" column. Some of them divide the column up amongst stuff that is worth seeing with Binos, small scopes, big scopes, and deep space photography scopes so you can sort out whether or not you want to look at stuff.


I have enjoyed looking at the stars. One night, many years ago when I was on a boat that was "lost upon the water", the fact that I was the ONLY one on board who had looked at the sky just as it was getting dark and saw a star I recognized above a point on distant land was the ONLY thing that allowed me to convince the "expert" crew that they were heading the wrong way completely and that land was "over there, schmucks."

One night, some bigshot was trying to impress the local girls with the "isn't Venus beautiful tonight?" schtick. I couldn't resist pointing out that, as "Venus is CLOSER to the sun than we are, it never appears so high over head on the elliptic...and if you had a telescope you'd know that was in fact Jupiter. Venus is over there, and won't be visible for a few hours yet." That sort of thing can make you unpopular with the dorks, but the chicks sort of love it.

Get some big-ass binoculars (Lee won't kick me for that will he?) around the 10 x 50 size. You want BIG LENSES to gather light. That's why they call big telescopes "light buckets". They gather light. Personally, I pooh-pooh computer controlled star finders (I mean, really, can't you find the thing yourself???) however star charts and computer star-finder programs are cool. A sort of "what's out there tonight?"

I think refractors are limiting, but for close-up stuff they are cool and give you solid images. I like my Newtonian reflector, it gives just BOSS images of Saturn to the naked eye, and Jupiter too. I wish it was bigger...but then again, I might not haul it up the stairs if it were.

I have read that the Dobsonian reflectors give you more size (diameter inches) for the price, and for just naked eye viewing, that might be worth consideration. It's a great hobby. Like guns, you will spend the rest of your life playing with it and still come away feeling stupid. However...you will often find, once you get started, that trying to have a SERIOUS conversation about the stars gets difficult after only a short time because nobody else around you can figure out what the hell you are talking about.
 
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That sort of thing can make you unpopular with the dorks, but the chicks sort of love it.

I had to smile because when we were dating, we'd go up to the field on the hill on a dark night with a blanket and binoculars to look at the stars. Star parties for 2.
 
I had to smile because when we were dating, we'd go up to the field on the hill on a dark night with a blanket and binoculars to look at the stars. Star parties for 2.
Yea....Sure you did:D
Wopuld you believe that coming from your daughter????;)
BTW who is this Yoursky fellow-sounds Russian.
 
Im not even an amateur with it but I have a six inch Orion dobsonian that I putter around with.
 
Im not even an amateur with it but I have a six inch Orion dobsonian that I putter around with.

And how is that? I was looking tonight in one of the recent "Sky and Telescope" buyer's guide issues that Orion has a nice set of Dobsonian scopes going from 4.5 inches all the way up to 10. In fact, the 10 inch scope is the one I think qennis mentions.

That certainly looks interesting. Weighs in around 55 pounds or so (which would just be a hoot hauling up the stairs). This makes me want to ask: is it FEASIBLE to haul the scope and mount separately? I don't own a Dobsonian scope, so I really don't know. I've taken my tripod Newtonian in the batmobile out into the desert and assembled it there and there were no problems.

Or are these things a little touchy to being taken apart, carried around, and assembled again? Please let me know, because I'm seriously thinking about one here. But 55 pounds....up THOSE stairs....would be nice to be able to do in two trips, you know?
 
I use a Cabela's 80x spotting scope and pull it out in the summer to amaze our guest after a day of bar-b-q, livations and fun.

Peaple are amazed that the big shiny thing in the sky is actually a planet(In my case the only one I've ever seen with clarity is Jupiter and 4 of it's moons.) The kids get a kick from it too.

Satelites are cool....

Another cool thing in the night sky are SATELITES! I live in the northeast and I sometimes see 10 an hour. The brightest is the ISS. That thing is soo neat...it took some time and convincing before some of my acquaintances would believe you could actually see one with the naked eys

happy hunting...
 
I would have to improve a lot to qualify as an amateur, but I have a 5" Celeston that I like to use to look at the planets and moon. Not so much the stars because they're all just dots, even at 25x.

When looking at the full moon, you almost need sunglasses with it. It is amazing how well you can see for having so little magnification.
 
What ever scope you end up with (I have a 5" Celestron Neutonian), I would suggest your first object to track down is Saturn. One look at it's rings and you will be hooked.
The Earth is a lovely shade of blue this time of year too....Oh wait, you're on earth! :D
 
My favorite astro program is an old dos that is copywrite 1991, "Expert Astronomer" I also like one real old Windows 3.1, that is quite simple. Tried a few others, more modern and hated them, geared more for kids. Got one for the Mac and it seizes it up.

Is Pluto a planet or not? How come Mercury doesn't show up on time where it's supposed to be? Scopes are fun, but there's a vast complexity of the universe that makes this hobby well worthwhile.
 
I guess I'm more of a stargazer than amateur astronomer. I have a Celestron 3.1" refractor that I got as a graduation present from my Grandma back in 1985. It's plenty enough for casual observing and easy enugh to drag out of the basement and load in the car if I want to go someplace "dark". I've looked at the moons of Jupiter with it, Saturns rings, the phases of Venus and the Martian ice caps. The Orion Nebula, Andromeda Galaxy as well as several star clusters.

As far as learning the night sky, when I was 14 and got hooked on astronomy after watching "Cosmos' on PBS, I went to the book sore and got the latest copy of Astronomy and used their monthly starchart to learn the constellations. Plus, the positions of the planets was noted and how to find them as well as a diagram showing the positions of the four "Galilean" moons. Also the magazine would tell you if an annual Meteor shower was coming up and the time and place to look for the shower.

I always enjoy looking at the night sky. It allows you turn your mind off your daily hassles for awhile. And it's just so brillantly beautiful and thought provoking.
 
I forgot to add, if you get a scope, no matter how small, invest in a lunar filter for Moon gazing. It's amazing how bright the Moon is through even a small telescope.
 
And how is that? I was looking tonight in one of the recent "Sky and Telescope" buyer's guide issues that Orion has a nice set of Dobsonian scopes going from 4.5 inches all the way up to 10. In fact, the 10 inch scope is the one I think qennis mentions.

That certainly looks interesting. Weighs in around 55 pounds or so (which would just be a hoot hauling up the stairs). This makes me want to ask: is it FEASIBLE to haul the scope and mount separately? I don't own a Dobsonian scope, so I really don't know. I've taken my tripod Newtonian in the batmobile out into the desert and assembled it there and there were no problems.

Or are these things a little touchy to being taken apart, carried around, and assembled again? Please let me know, because I'm seriously thinking about one here. But 55 pounds....up THOSE stairs....would be nice to be able to do in two trips, you know?

Hi there Calmex, it is a bit awkward to lug around! I take the tube off of the mount and put it in the back seat of my car and the mount in the trunk for transport to a bit of dark mountain top. They are pretty durable setup's, it's a bit of a pain but not bad. The Dob's are a bit tempeture sensitive so I allow a bit of time when I set it up for it to stabilize a bit. Here in the northeast we get pretty big temp change's from day to nite. Dew play's heck with it as well but overall Im happy with it. If I had to do it over again I would get the ten inch!
 
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