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I just got two new m&p 15-22. What can I do to enhance the stopping power off this gun. also what is the biggest round that can be used for this. are there any extended clips that i can buy or drums?
How many ways can I enhance this?
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Dragon88
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Wow.... Well first of all welcome to the forum.
This gun fires 22 LR only and does not have any "stopping power", unless you are talking about "stopping" a little squirrel.
Your 15-22 does not use clips, it uses magazines. There is a difference. There are 10 round and 25 round magazines available as well as drums, if that's your thing.
This gun fires 22 LR only and does not have any "stopping power", unless you are talking about "stopping" a little squirrel.
Your 15-22 does not use clips, it uses magazines. There is a difference. There are 10 round and 25 round magazines available as well as drums, if that's your thing.
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Stopping power?
Its a .22 so there isn't a hell of a lot you can do short of loading it up with some of the hyper velocity (like CCI Stingers) factory ammo available.
Can't remember who it is but I have heard that someone makes a 50 round mag for the gun.
Why anyone would realistically want one when they cost so much and IMHO encourage poor marksmanship is a mystery to me.
You should also check your state laws before trying to get one as they are illegal in some.
Its a .22 so there isn't a hell of a lot you can do short of loading it up with some of the hyper velocity (like CCI Stingers) factory ammo available.
Can't remember who it is but I have heard that someone makes a 50 round mag for the gun.
Why anyone would realistically want one when they cost so much and IMHO encourage poor marksmanship is a mystery to me.
You should also check your state laws before trying to get one as they are illegal in some.
I know rrages carries the 50 round drum magazine for the 15-22, but unsure of the functionality or durability of the product. You can probably find some more information searching around the forum.
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 / 50 Round Drum Magazine
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 / 50 Round Drum Magazine
NamibianAmphibian
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LOL! You can sell it and buy a centerfire rifle.
More stopping power = bigger cartridge [.25 acp ain't the answer]
Jammer
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If you are looking for more "power", then you might consider trading your M&P 15-22 for a M&P 15.
CrazyFingers
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This would be one upgrade that would give you more stopping power:
All kidding aside, none of us bought the 15-22 to use as a defensive weapon. It's a range toy or a small game rifle. If you need stopping power for a human-sized target, you bought the wrong rifle.
All kidding aside, none of us bought the 15-22 to use as a defensive weapon. It's a range toy or a small game rifle. If you need stopping power for a human-sized target, you bought the wrong rifle.
Congrats and welcome to the addiction. 
I know what you're saying WS, just pick up some hot 22 loads and keep those on hand for when the zombies attack, use standard 22 rounds for playing around or you'll quickly drain your bank account!
I can't explain the addiction to the 15-22. I have big guns, tiny guns, real AR's, target rifles, all the toys to scratch itches that I can find, but that darn 15-22 keeps whispering that it needs more gadgets....
I like the bipod I picked up and I'm looking for a decent scope for it now, something with low magnification and loooong eye relief, probably a pistol scope. I don't want bigger magazines, in fact a few smaller ones may be something I should look at.
Thanks for the small magazine idea guys.... I'll have my wife get on this forum and you can try to explain to her why I keep buying all this stuff!
I know what you're saying WS, just pick up some hot 22 loads and keep those on hand for when the zombies attack, use standard 22 rounds for playing around or you'll quickly drain your bank account!
I can't explain the addiction to the 15-22. I have big guns, tiny guns, real AR's, target rifles, all the toys to scratch itches that I can find, but that darn 15-22 keeps whispering that it needs more gadgets....
I like the bipod I picked up and I'm looking for a decent scope for it now, something with low magnification and loooong eye relief, probably a pistol scope. I don't want bigger magazines, in fact a few smaller ones may be something I should look at.
Thanks for the small magazine idea guys.... I'll have my wife get on this forum and you can try to explain to her why I keep buying all this stuff!
When I read this first post I also had a chuckle with regards to stopping power, but I can assure you that there is not one man or woman on this board who is bad enough to want to take 25 rounds of CCI stingers to the face.
It may not be like my 5.56, but it would definitely slow your roll.
It may not be like my 5.56, but it would definitely slow your roll.
When I read this first post I also had a chuckle with regards to stopping power, but I can assure you that there is not one man or woman on this board who is bad enough to want to take 25 rounds of CCI stingers to the face.
It may not be like my 5.56, but it would definitely slow your roll.
Mos def. It doesn't matter how big they are, 25 rounds of 22lr will make them extremely dead. Heck the first google page is full of people who died from a couple 22 pistol rounds. A rifle will get it done for sure.
EezyBeezy
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Shot placement and how quickly you can shoot x amount of .22lr rounds will compensate for stopping power.
Qualify "stopping power" requirement?
1. Stop them dead in their tracks?
2. Stop them from continuing and make them think twice?
3. Stopping power as in self defense?
4. Stopping power as in home defense?
Each has a "tool" for the job, the proper tool for the job will help ensure sucess more eaisly then trying to make something work that was not intended to do the job.
And although Bulld4wg can assure us that no one wants to take 25 rounds of stinger to the face, and I agree with Bulld4wg on that point, I can assure you that in a low light condition with only an eye blink between you and possibly your last breath, with over 90% of "grevious injury" home defense sceinarios, that all 25 of those rounds will not land on target, if any at all, no matter how bad you are. I investigated a case once where the home owner emptied a whole 30 round 5.56 mag and only one round hit the bad guy (left mid section outside and got mostly flesh and didn't do any real damage, basically a flesh wound thru and thru), at a distance of 28 feet. The combat stress, the low light conditions, lack of experience and training in such situations, the speed of the engagement, the bad guy shooting back, the movement, certainly contributed to the misses. The bad guy firing back hit the home owner four times (two in the left calf, one left hip, one upper right chest). The bad guy has planned his attack and came in thru the dark shadows and the home owner was in the light. Bad guy lived, home owner died. The home owner was a competition shooter, and familiar with the weapon, but he forgot one important thing - range targets do not shoot back and did not account for that.
Unless your trained and experienced at CQB types of engagements, forgo the rifle and choose something that when it does land on target it does some massive damage not only to tissue but also to the central nervous system, to help make sure that you have more eyes blinks left and put the greatest chance back on your side because in almost 100% of situations the bad guy has already mapped out their plan for their best chances and most times has the element of suprise on their side. The key to stopping dead in the tracks is to do one of two things, and perferably both at the same time:
1. Massive damage causing critical body funtions to cease operating properly or at all, immediately.
2. Massive neurological collapse of the central nervous system.
You have roughly maybe a second to do this (and possibly less), so make it count. Its very unlikely the bad guy will put the element of suprise on your side, so you don't have much time at all.
You want something that will do that. If you don't do those two things in those situations then your chances decrease by almost 97% that the person will be stopped before they have a chance to do some harm to you or your family. If you had time to put in some well placed shots like you do on the range then a .22 might do it for you somewhat, or at least make them think twice, but in home defense or self defense its pretty unlikely the bad guy is going to oblige you while you get all stanced up and take careful aim so you gotta do it fast and strike the target quickly, hard, and decisively. As one of our old instructors used to say "When it happens its going to be sudden, swift, and violent. All that remains to be known is who it happens to."
Home defense: Shotgun - 12 ga - 000 buck
Self Defense carry : 40 or 45 cal with Extream Shock ammo
45 cal: Extreme Shock - The World's Most Advanced Ammunition
40 cal: Extreme Shock - The World's Most Advanced Ammunition
1. Stop them dead in their tracks?
2. Stop them from continuing and make them think twice?
3. Stopping power as in self defense?
4. Stopping power as in home defense?
Each has a "tool" for the job, the proper tool for the job will help ensure sucess more eaisly then trying to make something work that was not intended to do the job.
And although Bulld4wg can assure us that no one wants to take 25 rounds of stinger to the face, and I agree with Bulld4wg on that point, I can assure you that in a low light condition with only an eye blink between you and possibly your last breath, with over 90% of "grevious injury" home defense sceinarios, that all 25 of those rounds will not land on target, if any at all, no matter how bad you are. I investigated a case once where the home owner emptied a whole 30 round 5.56 mag and only one round hit the bad guy (left mid section outside and got mostly flesh and didn't do any real damage, basically a flesh wound thru and thru), at a distance of 28 feet. The combat stress, the low light conditions, lack of experience and training in such situations, the speed of the engagement, the bad guy shooting back, the movement, certainly contributed to the misses. The bad guy firing back hit the home owner four times (two in the left calf, one left hip, one upper right chest). The bad guy has planned his attack and came in thru the dark shadows and the home owner was in the light. Bad guy lived, home owner died. The home owner was a competition shooter, and familiar with the weapon, but he forgot one important thing - range targets do not shoot back and did not account for that.
Unless your trained and experienced at CQB types of engagements, forgo the rifle and choose something that when it does land on target it does some massive damage not only to tissue but also to the central nervous system, to help make sure that you have more eyes blinks left and put the greatest chance back on your side because in almost 100% of situations the bad guy has already mapped out their plan for their best chances and most times has the element of suprise on their side. The key to stopping dead in the tracks is to do one of two things, and perferably both at the same time:
1. Massive damage causing critical body funtions to cease operating properly or at all, immediately.
2. Massive neurological collapse of the central nervous system.
You have roughly maybe a second to do this (and possibly less), so make it count. Its very unlikely the bad guy will put the element of suprise on your side, so you don't have much time at all.
You want something that will do that. If you don't do those two things in those situations then your chances decrease by almost 97% that the person will be stopped before they have a chance to do some harm to you or your family. If you had time to put in some well placed shots like you do on the range then a .22 might do it for you somewhat, or at least make them think twice, but in home defense or self defense its pretty unlikely the bad guy is going to oblige you while you get all stanced up and take careful aim so you gotta do it fast and strike the target quickly, hard, and decisively. As one of our old instructors used to say "When it happens its going to be sudden, swift, and violent. All that remains to be known is who it happens to."
Home defense: Shotgun - 12 ga - 000 buck
Self Defense carry : 40 or 45 cal with Extream Shock ammo
45 cal: Extreme Shock - The World's Most Advanced Ammunition
40 cal: Extreme Shock - The World's Most Advanced Ammunition
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I've always heard the best personal defense was a snub .357 for the reasons you mentioned. When you are moving fast, while under duress, you won't need to worry about the safety being on or a jam. And that is only if you can handle a hot magnum or 45 load. What do the old timers say? A hit with a 22 is better than a miss with a 45?
Jettjocky
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Foxtrot. Thanks for a very informative post.... Be safe
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Quizmaster65
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my dad always advised me when me and him were comparing my sr9 to his ruger markIII hunter .22 : "if i can't put 11 holes in you i shouldnt be shooting at you" but my 15-22 with 25 rounds sure has some squirrel stopping power.
Dragon88
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Everything depends on the situation. But if you shoot at someone 11 times, or 25 times, you are probably crossing over from self defense to excessive force and homicide. I could do a lot of things, including reassess or flee the situation or start dialing 911, instead of taking the time to empty a 25 round magazine into someone... Was the threat stopped at round five or ten or fifteen? I don't know officer I had a full 25 round magazine and I just kept shooting......
But this line of discussion will take this thread way off topic unfortunately.
But this line of discussion will take this thread way off topic unfortunately.
stickbug1
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Are we really entertaining a conversation about a 15-22 as any type of defense weapon? Foxtrot has it right on! Any bullet will hurt but if you or your families life depends on it bring the right (or best available) tool for the job. If we have enough $ to drop 400-500 plus goodies on a .22 play gun, then i would hope that every single person on this site has a defense weapon in an adequate caliber. You can debate "adequate" for hours and we will never all agree on what is enough or too little, but .22LR isn't even in the conversation.
I have been a strong advocate of the 45ACP as a "human stopping" projectile. Lots of kinetic energy delivered on impact. And dont give me the excuse that it is too much recoil to handle. My 12YO 100# daughter shoots my Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry 3" 45 just fine.
OK so enough from me on my soap box. Lets try to contribute something constructive to you all.
You can use the power factor formula to compare the relevant energy delivered from a specific round. (Muzzle velocity X bullet grain weight) / 1000= PF. This number allows the relative comparison of bullets in different calibers or grain weights.
45ACP 230Gr. bullet @ 880 FPS = 202 PF
357Mag 158Gr. bullet @ 1235 FPS = 195 PF
40S&W 180Gr. bullet @ 1010 FPS = 181 PF
9MM 115Gr. bullet @ 1225 FPS = 140 PF
.22LR CCI MiniMag 36Gr. Bullet @ 1260FPS = 45 PF
Need I say any more??
Be safe!
I have been a strong advocate of the 45ACP as a "human stopping" projectile. Lots of kinetic energy delivered on impact. And dont give me the excuse that it is too much recoil to handle. My 12YO 100# daughter shoots my Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry 3" 45 just fine.
OK so enough from me on my soap box. Lets try to contribute something constructive to you all.
You can use the power factor formula to compare the relevant energy delivered from a specific round. (Muzzle velocity X bullet grain weight) / 1000= PF. This number allows the relative comparison of bullets in different calibers or grain weights.
45ACP 230Gr. bullet @ 880 FPS = 202 PF
357Mag 158Gr. bullet @ 1235 FPS = 195 PF
40S&W 180Gr. bullet @ 1010 FPS = 181 PF
9MM 115Gr. bullet @ 1225 FPS = 140 PF
.22LR CCI MiniMag 36Gr. Bullet @ 1260FPS = 45 PF
Need I say any more??
Be safe!
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