How much do guns cost?

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Well, that's a silly question. That's like asking, "How long is a piece of rope?" It is what it is, right?

Still, I think the question has some merit if you look at it from a comparative standpoint, as in, "How much would that Ruger Super Blackhawk that I bought in 1981 for $250 cost, if I bought it today?" That is, factoring inflation into account. (The answer is $587.) I got started thinking on this when forum member jolsen posted some scans of a 1963 catalog, complete with prices. The natural reaction is to drool over the low prices, forgetting that in 1963 the average wage was $2.20 per hour. I went to an online inflation calculator, and posted the equivalent prices in 2009 dollars. Overall, they weren't too different from what we see today.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...03904/m/12110613/p/2

Then I took it a step further, making it personal. Some time back, I started keeping an inventory on an Excel spreadsheet with information like make, model, caliber, price, date purchased, etc. It enabled me to do things like print off a compact listing that only took up a few sheets. I could also manipulate the information to do things like sort by brand, or caliber or price; I could make charts that showed total number accumulated over time, and so on. I know some guys who can make Excel dance and sing - about all I can do is make it crawl and poop, but that's good enough for my puposes.

Anyway, I had this spreadsheet so it was pretty easy to apply an inflation factor to the prices listed, and get the price in 2009 dollars versus the original amount that I paid. Then I thought, "Okay, that accounts for inflation. But what about the cost to ME personally, as a percentage of my personal financial worth?"

I know you were told that there would be no math, but bear with me. Using fictitious easy numbers, lets say in 1980 a person was making $10,000 per year, and today he's making $50,000, a factor of five. The inflation factor from 1980 to 2009 is 2.589 - something that cost $100 in 1980 would be priced at $258.90 today. However if it cost our person $100 in 1980 (with a salary of $10,000), an equivalent price to him today as a chunk of his $50,000 salary would be $500. So, he'd be getting a bargain buying it at $258.90, nearly half price comparatively speaking. In 1973 I was 16, and I worked for my older brother on the farm as a hand. My wages for the summer (given in advance) was a Ruger 10/22 rifle that he had bought for $50. So that gun cost me 1/4 of a year's salary, and is therefore the most expensive gun I own!

So where's all this jibba jabba get us? Personally it give me a clearer picture of how much I'm willing to spend and have spent, and what constitutes a bargain to me. Back to my Excel spreadsheet, if I bought that Super Blackhawk for $250 in 1981 (and it would cost $587 in 2009 dollars), how much would it cost if it were the same percentage of my income now, as it was then? The answer is $970! I had no idea I was spending so much back then....
 
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Well, that's a silly question. That's like asking, "How long is a piece of rope?" It is what it is, right?

Still, I think the question has some merit if you look at it from a comparative standpoint, as in, "How much would that Ruger Super Blackhawk that I bought in 1981 for $250 cost, if I bought it today?" That is, factoring inflation into account. (The answer is $587.) I got started thinking on this when forum member jolsen posted some scans of a 1963 catalog, complete with prices. The natural reaction is to drool over the low prices, forgetting that in 1963 the average wage was $2.20 per hour. I went to an online inflation calculator, and posted the equivalent prices in 2009 dollars. Overall, they weren't too different from what we see today.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...03904/m/12110613/p/2

Then I took it a step further, making it personal. Some time back, I started keeping an inventory on an Excel spreadsheet with information like make, model, caliber, price, date purchased, etc. It enabled me to do things like print off a compact listing that only took up a few sheets. I could also manipulate the information to do things like sort by brand, or caliber or price; I could make charts that showed total number accumulated over time, and so on. I know some guys who can make Excel dance and sing - about all I can do is make it crawl and poop, but that's good enough for my puposes.

Anyway, I had this spreadsheet so it was pretty easy to apply an inflation factor to the prices listed, and get the price in 2009 dollars versus the original amount that I paid. Then I thought, "Okay, that accounts for inflation. But what about the cost to ME personally, as a percentage of my personal financial worth?"

I know you were told that there would be no math, but bear with me. Using fictitious easy numbers, lets say in 1980 a person was making $10,000 per year, and today he's making $50,000, a factor of five. The inflation factor from 1980 to 2009 is 2.589 - something that cost $100 in 1980 would be priced at $258.90 today. However if it cost our person $100 in 1980 (with a salary of $10,000), an equivalent price to him today as a chunk of his $50,000 salary would be $500. So, he'd be getting a bargain buying it at $258.90, nearly half price comparatively speaking. In 1973 I was 16, and I worked for my older brother on the farm as a hand. My wages for the summer (given in advance) was a Ruger 10/22 rifle that he had bought for $50. So that gun cost me 1/4 of a year's salary, and is therefore the most expensive gun I own!

So where's all this jibba jabba get us? Personally it give me a clearer picture of how much I'm willing to spend and have spent, and what constitutes a bargain to me. Back to my Excel spreadsheet, if I bought that Super Blackhawk for $250 in 1981 (and it would cost $587 in 2009 dollars), how much would it cost if it were the same percentage of my income now, as it was then? The answer is $970! I had no idea I was spending so much back then....
 
My head hurts.


Good observation though. Most people just look at the price of things today, and don't figure in the fact that we are making a whole lot more now than we did back then. And, as you have shown, we are actually getting a better deal on stuff today in comparison to the deals we got back then.

What we need to do is find the old prices with todays paycheck!

WG840
 
However if it cost our person $100 in 1980 (with a salary of $10,000), an equivalent price to him today as a chunk of his $50,000 salary would be $500.

Of course this hypothetical situation leads to some silly conclusions, if you go out far enough. What if our person has done really well, and instead of making $50,000 per year is now making $500,000? Then his $100 gun in 1980 would now be worth $5000 to him now? Don't think so.
 
Originally posted by Tom K:
However if it cost our person $100 in 1980 (with a salary of $10,000), an equivalent price to him today as a chunk of his $50,000 salary would be $500.

Of course this hypothetical situation leads to some silly conclusions, if you go out far enough. What if our person has done really well, and instead of making $50,000 per year is now making $500,000? Then his $100 gun in 1980 would now be worth $5000 to him now? Don't think so.
I can't put my finger on it, but why does the expression "figures lie and liars figures" keep coming to my mind. I know you work in Washington.
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Not only are most guns cheaper than they used to be, in comparable wages, but some of us are older enough to have more disposable income, and some are even smart enough to buy mostly used weapons. Living in MA, I am hardly without problems in getting what I want, but money does not seem to be one of them.
 
...every once in awhile I run across the old window sticker of the first new car I ever bought....a 1969 Beetle sunroof with all the trimmings: $1984 out the door...

Comparison today's model is "10x that" per http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_volkswagen_new_beetle/

In 1969 my state gross monthly paycheck was under $600. High rent was $85.... Round steak was 50 cents/#; gas was 27.9; I don't recall a box of 50 22 bullets but I suspect they were under a penny each...

oh, and the ENTIRE bill Dr. & hospital for pre-post-AND-delivery for my 1st born was $400!!!
 
It's good to look at the cost of things in some kind of context, that's for sure.

Somebody is always posting a page or two out of an old catalog, and then it's off to the races with comments about how cheap everything was back then.

On another forum, someone mentioned that the Colt Model of 1873 sold for roughly $20 back in the 1880s. He then mentioned that was just about what a good, hardworking cowboy earned in a month back then. Sorta takes the wind out of the "I'll take twenty of 'em!" type comment.
 
The Manufacturer's Suggested Price (MSP) of a Model 38 Airweight Bodyguard was $70. That would be equivalent to $497 as of February 2009, according to the InflationData.com. The current version of that gun is the Model 638 and the MSP is $600. The difference in MSPs is $103 more than inflation would seem to allow.

Any ideas why?
 
I bought my son-in-law one for Christmas, I paid $410 I believe. That lock isn't free, and S&W and all other gun companies have been litigating like crazy. Also, the 638 is Stainless and aluminum, not blue steel. At $400+ it is a bargain.
 
Originally posted by rundownfid:
I bought my son-in-law one for Christmas, I paid $410 I believe. That lock isn't free, and S&W and all other gun companies have been litigating like crazy. Also, the 638 is Stainless and aluminum, not blue steel. At $400+ it is a bargain.

The construction is different, as you point out, and I imagine the pricing strategy is different, too. The MSP in 1961 might have been more "honest" in that it was what was actually paid. My experience on new S&W's is I've paid about 72% of MSP, that would translate to $431 on a $600 MSP. The Model 38 has a higher used price than the 638, so maybe it's about even.
 
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