How much more "kick"

meyerbj81

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Hey guys I have a PC 627 5" barrel and find full load mags not a problem to shoot at the range. I'm interested in getting one of the new UDR 44 mag snubbies but don't have much experience with 44's. My main question is how much more noticeable will the recoil be between the two? Keep in mind I'm a young man with no arthritis etc etc ha ha I know its apples to oranges but I really don't have the opportunity to shoot a 44 here in Memphis so it would be bought out of blind hope.

Thanks,
Brian
 
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I've only recently encountered the term "UDR", don't know what it means.

In guns of similar weight, using max loads, there will a significant increase in recoil moving from the .357 to the .44 Mag.

Is it a difference you can't deal with? I really doubt it. You say you're young w/o physical issues, go ahead and get one.

I think most on this forum would agree that you don't have to regularly fire absolute max power rounds out of any of the bigger mag (.44 and up) to enjoy them. Reload and have the best of both worlds. Don
 
I've owned three .44's of various flavors.

I was afraid I would shoot my toes off, I was flinching so badly; sold all of them.

Full loads in a .357 L frame are no problem.
 
UDR is ultimate defense revolver, I believe it comes from a Clint Eastwood movie(please correct me if I'm wrong). John was your flinching due to, for lack of a better term, fear or the actual percussion and recoil of the firearm itself?
 
UDR is ultimate defense revolver, I believe it comes from a Clint Eastwood movie(please correct me if I'm wrong). John was your flinching due to, for lack of a better term, fear or the actual percussion and recoil of the firearm itself?

The original UDR's were S&W Performance Center, model 627 8-shot 357 Magnums and were a Lew Horton exclusive. These did not have the internal lock.

The term Bloodwork is used for these since Clint Eastwood used one in the movie Blood Work in 2002.

Blood Work (2002)

There is a new run of these out now in 357, 41 and 44 Magnum - these have the internal lock.

As far as kick - the 44 will kick a good deal more than the 357 with full power loads in each. But you could always load 44 Specials in the 629, they are easier to control.

Have a good weekend,
Bob S.
 
A .357 is like getting a message compared to a .44 full power load. The .44 feels like getting hit (in the web of your hand between thumb and forefinger) with a 2lb sledge hammer. Rubber grips may help a little.
 
I find the 27's are very nice to shoot with any load and even the 4" K's aren't too bad. I don't mind the field sized 44Mag N frames however the lighter ones open me up enough that I don't care to own one.
 
Well everybody has their own agenda and plan for collecting firearms. Some choose to focus on on certain maker/caliber/ etc. My vision is to have a really varied collection of calibers in PC smithsand various semis. That being said I did want something I would enjoy shooting occasionally and am pondering carrying the new UDR 629 as a carry weapon. I guess it'll come down to just taking a chance and see, but $850 is still alot to me to chance so we'll see what happens. Please keep the info coming...I really appreciate it.
 
Recoil is subjective to the individual. Small people can sometimes handle recoil better than bigger people, and vice-versa.

The effects of recoil; pain, muzzle blast, and muzzle flip can be mitigated by different aftermarket grips, hand position while gripping, and longer barrels. And magna-porting or something similiar.

Fullhouse .44 magnum loads in a 4 inch M29 can be loud and punishing to the hand or wrist [depending how the weapon is held]. But in the same revolver with an 8 3/8 inch barrel the same load is very less excessive.

One can simply become accustomed to something that initially seemed oppressive as well.

One can also reload down, or buy lesser powered ammunition to shoot in their "heavy recoiling" firearm. As in .38 Special wadcutters in .357 magnum revolvers, or .44 Special ammunition in a .44 Magnum revolver.

I have 4, 6, and 8 3/8 inch M29-2s. I have shot full house loads in the longer barrels and in the 6 inch I have to "re-acquaint" myself with the recoil and muzzle blast but it is not troublesome to me.

I have not fired the 4 inch with a full house load but soon I will, just to experience it. But usually I will shoot it with a lesser load as I do not need that amount of power and pressure in that particular firearm.

All of my M29-2s are better served by loads held to about 1000 to 1200 fps as it is less wear and tear on the gun. However if I truly hunt pigs or deer with them I will load them to the maximum safe levels to ensure success.

BUT, a 240 grain bullet at 1,000 fps will probably kill as well as the same bullet at 1400 fps, if placed well to begin with. The only "edge" the higher velocity may have is if the bullet enters at an angle or has to plow through bone.

Buy that .44 magnum and take good care of it and shoot it. In a certain number of years if you are tired of it you will at least get your money out of it if you did not put too much into "customizing" it.
 
semperfi, thanks for your input. Thats one good thing about firearms, they tend to hold their value pretty well especially some of the less common one i.e. performance center smiths etc etc. I'm thinking about pulling a couple extra shifts at the hospital and going ahead with purchasing the gun. We'll have to see though b/c my "must have" handgun changes with the weather it seems, I'm sure I'm not alone there.
 
From my personal experience and only my opinion , the compromise between ease of carry and shootability is a 4" barrel in any magnum .
 
With full-power loads, the difference in recoil between the 357 and the 44 is like night and day, even in guns of the same weight. It's even more pronounced going from a long, heavy 357 to a short, light 44, especially if that 44 is a Smith, because Smiths are not the best platform for anything that kicks really hard.

That's why so many M-29 owners like a 240-grain bullet at less than 1,000 fps. Recoil is no worse than a hot 357, and you still have a big, fat slug with enough punch to flatten pretty much anything short of a grizzly.


Okie John
 
.44 Magnum recoil is a quantum leap above that of the .357 -- in similar revolvers, no comparison. It's a LOT more!

Now, does that matter? Depends on the shooter. When I bought my first .44 years ago I was pretty sure, after a couple of shooting sessions with fullpower loads (bad idea), that I would never be able to handle it. Turned out I was wrong, but it took real willpower to stick with it and master it. I finaly did master it, and a .44 bothers me not at all these days, but had I not been a reloader, able to back off from full loads for a while and gradually move up, I sort of doubt I would have stuck with it.
 
My advice, FWIW, is to find someone with a short barreled .44 Magnum and see if they will let you shoot it before you plunk down the money. It doesn't have to be one of the UDR version...just a regular 629 with a three inch barrel will do nicely. See how well you like shooting a box or so of full-house magnums through it. Then make your decision. You may find that experience enough to quench the desire to own one.
 
As usual,

the Membership here has come through with great advice and insight, especially on a matter is as subjective as felt recoil.

I have both 44 and 357 mags in N frames, and as stated, the 44 is an order of magnitude greater in the recoil dept. But, I handload, and I would suggest anyone serious about enjoying the most their firearms can offer think seriously about taking it up. After all, it is not the caliber that is making the recoil, but how the individual round has been loaded. I like loads in the 1100-1200 fps range for general purpose and target, and rarely feel the need for any faster than that.

That said, I would probably get the gun if I were in your shoes- having a sibling set of the same revolver is pretty cool. I have a 686-4 and a 629-4 from the PC that are both snubs, quad ported, and have grips from Badger on them, and I like 'em alot :)

Oh, and here's a little widget that may give some information and entertainment on recoil:

Recoil Calculator

Remember to post pics of your UDR's ;)
 
I have a 4inch 629 Mountain gun. It is one of the newer ones with a lock and rubber finger groove grips. I also have a 3 inch
model 65 (K frame) in .357 mag., also with rubber finger groove grips. With top magnum loads the 357s recoil is stiff. The 44, I can only describe as punishing. I can comfortably shoot a box or two of 357s while plinking. I do not shoot full power loads in the 44 for fun, because it isn't! That said, I absolutely love the .44! I have only to load them down a little and the gun becomes awesome. Elmer Keith in a lot of writings touted the 240 grain lead semi wadcutter as the best bullet for the .44 and I think he may have been correct. I've pushed several weights of JHPs and cast lead bullets out of the .44 in the range of 1100 to 1200 feet per second and the .44 is a very handleable gun for those who are not recoil shy. Get your .44, and I am sure you will enjoy it. Just reserve the hot loads for when they are absolutely necessary. By the way, even the hot loads in the lighter bullet weights (180 grainers) are much more comfortable to shoot than the heavy stuff.
Hope I helped a little.
Wakatomika
p.s. enjoy that youth and lack of arthritis and healthfullness while it lasts, it will blow away just like the next 40 years, and even when you are pushing 62 and full of Arther-itis and a bunch of more itises, you will Still be able to enjoy a nice .44 .
 
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The S&W four inch .44 magnums with steel frames will teach you everything you ever wanted to know about recoil. I can only imagine what those lightweight frame ones would be like. However, a good Weaver modified stance will tame the beast, and make you a better shooter at the same time. You will need to shoot it methodically and with purpose to develop the skill, but once learned it will serve you well.
 
semperfi71 has given good advice here as well...handloading magnum rounds to a reduced level is definitely one way to go. Unless you are going to be facing the big bruins, some 240 grainers at 1000 or so FPS will kill just about everything grave yard dead. And it will do it with much less wear and tear on you and the gun.
 
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