Please forgive me, I am a well trainedgun owner and get to the range 2 to 3 times a week. Maybe more then most do but MOST of my experience was with hammer fired pistols we carried in the navy. I purchased a striker fired pistol said to be and has proven to be extremely reliable, ive put just under 500 rnds through it with not a single fte/ftf, stovepipes or any other malfunctions. This being said i just purchased a jm custom kydex holster for aiwb and am awaiting its arrival. After researching i found this to be one of the top rated holsters for this type of carry which i prefer. Always using good caution when holstering by checking visually or even adding a fingersweep to ensure holsters empty of obstructions my mind still tricks me to believe that at anytime standing up or sitting down the gun may go off due to its lack of external safety. Im sure this is just a mental thing but my quimestion is, does it happen with these guns or should i just rest assure that my caution in holstering is good and it wont just fire a round into my wedding tackle???
how reliable is a striker fired pistol in reguards to AD's?
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Arik
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In regards to shooting when trigger is pulled it's a 100% reliable. If something gets into the trigger guard and there's enough pressure to pull the trigger then it will fire. You want a good holster that keeps it shape and doesn't collapse. Of course keep shirt ends and tie strings away from the holster area and you'll be fine. Millions of people carry them iwb, me included and nothing happens.
Now, that was just the general rule. It will depend on your particular gun. Some do have other safeties and some even have decockers to make the first shot more of a double action
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Now, that was just the general rule. It will depend on your particular gun. Some do have other safeties and some even have decockers to make the first shot more of a double action
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Howdy, Shipmate!
Guns, as you well know, do not go off by themselves. If the striker fired pistol you're using is of high quality I do not think you have to worry about an AD out of nowhere.
That said, most of the handgun ADs that occur in the modern era happen because those modern, tricky triggers are not long, double action triggers, they're almost like single action triggers without safeties on, and people are just negligent and will put their trigger fingers inside the trigger guard when they should not.
If you are certain that your holster is clear then you should have no problem as long as your fingers stay where they belong.
Hope that helps!
Guns, as you well know, do not go off by themselves. If the striker fired pistol you're using is of high quality I do not think you have to worry about an AD out of nowhere.
That said, most of the handgun ADs that occur in the modern era happen because those modern, tricky triggers are not long, double action triggers, they're almost like single action triggers without safeties on, and people are just negligent and will put their trigger fingers inside the trigger guard when they should not.
If you are certain that your holster is clear then you should have no problem as long as your fingers stay where they belong.
Hope that helps!
cmort666
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All of my striker fired experience is with Glocks.
I've never seen, nor even HEARD of a Glock in proper working order going off without the trigger being pulled.
Bear in mind that a Glock (and most of the other striker fired pistols, except the Springfield XD series) is like the C programming language. it will do whatever you TELL it to, of which it's capable, no matter how stupid that might be.
If you tell C to read or write past the end of the array you're using, it'll cheerfully do it.
If you point your Glock at your foot and pull the trigger, it'll cheerfully shoot you.
I've never seen, nor even HEARD of a Glock in proper working order going off without the trigger being pulled.
Bear in mind that a Glock (and most of the other striker fired pistols, except the Springfield XD series) is like the C programming language. it will do whatever you TELL it to, of which it's capable, no matter how stupid that might be.
If you tell C to read or write past the end of the array you're using, it'll cheerfully do it.
If you point your Glock at your foot and pull the trigger, it'll cheerfully shoot you.
- ALWAYS carry a Glock in a holster that covers the trigger.
- NEVER try to catch a dropped Glock. Let it fall and pick it up.
- Stripping a Glock requires you to pull the trigger. ALWAYS ensure that a Glock is COMPLETELY cleared before trying to strip it.
Arik
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Just too add something. I hate aiwb but that's just me. With a aiwb it's easier to see if anything is in the way, also easier to clear with your second hand. On the other hand you have some serious arteries there and have to be extra careful
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Arik, thanks for your comment. I do definitely take the time to make sure my shirt and all other items near or in reach of my holster are not in the way, no reason to be fast to holster and lose focus. Never let up on safety until in my bed at home. Lol. I guess I just dont think that thousands upon thousands of people carry them every day and you only hear about AD's when the person was not focused and cautious with every aspect of handling thier defensive tool. Just today i practiced defensive cqb drills and each time i took time to visually scan my holster while inserting my sd40 and then looked around 360. I dont see anyone else practicing these safety responses when shooting and i dont go over board super tactical. I just like to train how i fight per say. So thank you for easing my brain a bit with that bit of info
Thanks all, iscs yoda and cmort666 good advice. Im shooting an sd40ve by s&w. Got it for the price and reviews showed a great gun for the price although ill probably be getting a glock 19 in the near future this was just to get me back out on the range in a more timely fashion since getting out of the old marine taxi service lol. No disrespect intended. Loved the navy and had a ton of fun.
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My opinion, for what it's worth, is that striker-fired guns are just as safe as other types, but one's margin for error is less. Follow the tips already mentioned and pay attention to what you're doing and you should be fine.
My own preference is for a heavier, longer trigger pull on a self defense gun because of the greater margin for error. When I had a Glock 23 I used the NY1/"-" connector combo that resulted in a trigger pull that was equivalent to the stock weight but with resistance along the full trigger travel.
There was a related thread with some relevant info that might be helpful to you. Here's the link: http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...inherrently-less-safe-what-makes-them-so.html
My own preference is for a heavier, longer trigger pull on a self defense gun because of the greater margin for error. When I had a Glock 23 I used the NY1/"-" connector combo that resulted in a trigger pull that was equivalent to the stock weight but with resistance along the full trigger travel.
There was a related thread with some relevant info that might be helpful to you. Here's the link: http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...inherrently-less-safe-what-makes-them-so.html
And i agree with you arik, its a bit more nerve wracking carrying aiwb but i like the concealment i get and its centerline to the body which is more natural for me to get to, only issue is getting over the fact that my goodies are there with my phemoral artery. Past that i enjoy it, just thought id see what others thought since it was on my mind. As long as good handling and serious caution is taken i will be fine
kbm6893
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I believe striker fired weapons are less forgiving of human error. There were FAR more AD's with the Glock we were authorized to use as opposed to the other 2 authorized weapons, hammer fired SIG 226 and Skith 5946.
I have two striker guns, but they're Rugers with Manual safeties.
I have two striker guns, but they're Rugers with Manual safeties.
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Navyvbss, I am confident that you have a safe and well designed gun. However, the important thing is your confidence level.
It sounds like you train frequently, and you have good awareness about your holstering procedures. I think that in a few weeks you will gain a lot of confidence with this pistol. At that point, you will be very confident about holstering and carrying this gun. But until you are fully confident, there is nothing wrong with carrying another gun that you are more familiar with.
I actually think it is good that the new procedures for this gun make you nervous. That shows a healthy respect for pistols and for safety procedures. That focus will serve you well. When you become fully confident with this gun, be sure to maintain focus on the safety procedures you are following now.
It sounds like you train frequently, and you have good awareness about your holstering procedures. I think that in a few weeks you will gain a lot of confidence with this pistol. At that point, you will be very confident about holstering and carrying this gun. But until you are fully confident, there is nothing wrong with carrying another gun that you are more familiar with.
I actually think it is good that the new procedures for this gun make you nervous. That shows a healthy respect for pistols and for safety procedures. That focus will serve you well. When you become fully confident with this gun, be sure to maintain focus on the safety procedures you are following now.
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I was always told there is no such thing as an AD. They are all NDs.
Rpg
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These pistols are associated with more AD's than any other. ( To some extent, because they predominate since they are inexpensive.)
These largely result from folks reholstering with the trigger finger in the trigger guard.
Every year I learn of some cop shooing himself in the rear as a result.
I also know of LEOs that shot themselves by grabbing a loaded pistol and sticking a thumb in the trigger guard when retrieving from short term storage in a secured site.
As is true for all handguns, you need to really understand and practice the manual of arms.
If you can't keep your fingers out of the trigger guard, these aren't for you.
Analize your gun handling practices.
Do you have an ingrained practice of keeping your finger out of the trigger guard except when you're on target and shooting? Not all vets do: the M92 trained vets often are sloppy in this regard
Folks with a basis in 1911's seem less likely to commit this sin.
Cooper taught that your trigger finger should be on the end of the slide release that protrudes from the side of the pistol unless sights are on the target.
Anyone that internalized this practice so it's muscle memory, will do just fine with striker fired guns.
Others, not so much.
These largely result from folks reholstering with the trigger finger in the trigger guard.
Every year I learn of some cop shooing himself in the rear as a result.
I also know of LEOs that shot themselves by grabbing a loaded pistol and sticking a thumb in the trigger guard when retrieving from short term storage in a secured site.
As is true for all handguns, you need to really understand and practice the manual of arms.
If you can't keep your fingers out of the trigger guard, these aren't for you.
Analize your gun handling practices.
Do you have an ingrained practice of keeping your finger out of the trigger guard except when you're on target and shooting? Not all vets do: the M92 trained vets often are sloppy in this regard
Folks with a basis in 1911's seem less likely to commit this sin.
Cooper taught that your trigger finger should be on the end of the slide release that protrudes from the side of the pistol unless sights are on the target.
Anyone that internalized this practice so it's muscle memory, will do just fine with striker fired guns.
Others, not so much.
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JCFindley
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Do you mean finger-on-the-trigger type ADs?
The Glock has a firing pin block that's not released until the trigger is pulled, as you probably know.
Just curious.
Well, some of us old goats don't trust a striker fire Pistol...
I keep my finger out of the trigger guard till I'm ready to shoot.
I'll CC my M 638 or PPK clone in my front pocket, but would never do that with the wife's 9 mm shield with the safety off.
Yea, wouldn't like to shoot myself at all......
And some of us are set in our ways.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I keep my finger out of the trigger guard till I'm ready to shoot.
I'll CC my M 638 or PPK clone in my front pocket, but would never do that with the wife's 9 mm shield with the safety off.
Yea, wouldn't like to shoot myself at all......
And some of us are set in our ways.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Squarebutt
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Yup, the trigger arrangement on my one and only striker-fired pistol makes me more cautious than any revolver or 1911. One hazard that hasn't been mentioned much is clothing getting into the trigger guard during reholstering. There are a few videos of guys getting a "Glock leg" when rseholstering, including a police chief whose jacket drawstring or the little sliding toggle gizmo snagged the trigger.
Rpg
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Exactly.
They won't go off on their own.
The difficulty is folks who haven't developed the discipline to handle their guns appropriately.
This is more common in those who have not trained on 1911's or haven't trained at all.
It's good to be concerned.
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kbm6893
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Yes. Most of them were during reholstering, usually under stress, and in pulling the trigger to fieldstrip and they either forgot to check the chamber or they got the order wrong and racked the slide before dropping the mag.
