how reliable is a striker fired pistol in reguards to AD's?

[Wise_A]

Oh God, not this again.

(1) Any modern firearm is safe if you follow its manual of arms.

(2) The only safety device is located between your ears.

(3) #1 and #2 stipulate that you understand holstering, drawing, and re-holstering practices, and that you achieve comfort and familiarity in your gun handling. And that includes how your holster is designed to be used, as well. You can't treat a pocket holster as you would an IWB, or an OWB CCW-type, or a duty/service holster, or a hunting holster. Different gunleather requires different practices.

(4) All actions--DA/SA revolver, SA revolver, SA auto, DA/SA auto, and DAO auto--have their own advantages and drawbacks.

Please forgive me, I am a well trainedgun owner and get to the range 2 to 3 times a week. Maybe more then most do but MOST of my experience was with hammer fired pistols we carried in the navy.

Reminds me of when I first moved from working out of a range bag and started sticking a handgun into some pieces of old leather.

Wasn't too comfortable, at first, and that made practicing the finer points tricky. But it forced me to ingrain the procedure and the Do/Do-Not's. Took a while to really get down with it, so I had to spend a bit of time dry-firing and practicing.

Consider seeking out quality instruction. It helps! Remember that how you were trained for the Navy doesn't really help you out as a gun-oriented citizen. Government training--be it LEO or armed service--is directed at efficiently taking a large number of people (with varying levels of individual interest in the subject matter), and getting them to achieve competency with one particular set of equipment.

But you're a guy who's interested in being Good At Guns (TM), with your own individual firearm and carry gear. You're not interested just in being competent, you want to be proficient. An hour or two with a decent instructor can work wonders. Watch out for I'm-better-than-you scowls, 5.11 tactical pants, and thigh-holster'd pistols unaccompanied by the back-slung AR's they're meant to accommodate. Look for friendly, smiling chaps who're easy and approachable.

 

[Brasky]

OP your S&W should have a firing pin block that does not allow the firing pin to fall unless the trigger is pulled.

I cannot believe how many people here rely on external safeties. You do realize an external safety can fail causing an AD if you aren't paying attention? An external safety is never an excuse for unsafe pistol handling

 

[kbm6893]

OP your S&W should have a firing pin block that does not allow the firing pin to fall unless the trigger is pulled.

I cannot believe how many people here rely on external safeties. You do realize an external safety can fail causing an AD if you aren't paying attention? An external safety is never an excuse for unsafe pistol handling

Nobody is "relying on a manual safety". It's extra insurance that an ND won't happen. And they DO happen more often with Glocks. Plaxico Burris would not have shot himself if he had a a Shield with the safety on. The mother shot by her 2 year old in Walmart with her Shield would be alive if the weapon had a safety or if it did, it was on. Cause I don't believe a 2 year old disengaged thst safety. The guy who shot himself at a wedding in NYC with a Ruger LC9-S Pro would not have done so if the weapon had a safety and it was on.

Show me one case where having a safety caused an ND. I'll show you 50 where having one prevented an ND. And those are only the ones that make the paper. Nobody calls the police when a shot ISN'T fired. They just breathe a sigh of relief and hopefully learn from their mistake.

And though any mechanical device can fail, just what are the odds? All my semi autos have safeties. In thousands of draws and manipulating the safeties, none have ever "failed".

And manual safety advocates are not saying it is ok to point a weapon at somebody because the safety is on. But the truth of the matter is that most gun owners are either minimally trained, not trained at all, or trained by somebody just as inept as they are. I know I won't shoot at my gun club anymore on weekends, and public gun ranges are out of the question altogether. Too many unsafe people there. I like to shoot in about 2 feet of snow. Ensures I'm the only one there.

 

[cmort666]

Nobody is "relying on a manual safety". It's extra insurance that an ND won't happen. And they DO happen more often with Glocks. Plaxico Burris would not have shot himself if he had a a Shield with the safety on. The mother shot by her 2 year old in Walmart with her Shield would be alive if the weapon had a safety or if it did, it was on. Cause I don't believe a 2 year old disengaged thst safety. The guy who shot himself at a wedding in NYC with a Ruger LC9-S Pro would not have done so if the weapon had a safety and it was on.

• Plaxico Burris would not have shot himself if:
  1. He weren't a moron.
  2. He weren't ILLEGALLY carrying a firearm.
  3. He used a holster.
  4. Not using a holster, he allowed the Glock to fall.
• The woman wouldn't have been shot if she hadn't left a loaded firearm out of her control and within easy reach of a small child.
• Don't know anything about the guy at the wedding. I STRONGLY suspect some combination of the above played a role.

Negligent, careless people will find a way to shoot themselves, and manual safeties don't seem to impede their efforts.

I carry firearms with and without safeties. I don't suffer from the misapprehension that they'll stop me from doing stupid things.

By the way, would a safety have stopped Burris from ILLEGALLY carrying in NYC?

 

[DD357]

Having an external hammer you can put your thumb on when reholstering has merit to me. Having said that I'm not against someone carrying a striker fired gun; they just need to be aware of the strengths and weaknesses, same as any gun. I PERSONALLY don't want to carry one, once again preferring something with an external hammer. However each person must decide for themselves.

 

[Mister X]

I have four Glocks. All are for defensive purposes. The factory trigger is a little too light for my preferences in a defense weapon and I have the heavier NY trigger spring installed in all of mine. It's still a lighter trigger pull (and shorter) than my S&W revolvers. If I bought a striker-fired S&W, I would honestly likely order it with the heavier trigger option.

 

[cmort666]

I have four Glocks. All are for defensive purposes. The factory trigger is a little too light for my preferences in a defense weapon and I have the heavier NY trigger spring installed in all of mine. It's still a lighter trigger pull (and shorter) than my S&W revolvers. If I bought a striker-fired S&W, I would honestly likely order it with the heavier trigger option.

I went the other way. I installed 3.5lb. Ghost connectors in my Glock 19 and Glock 22.

I need to be able to hit whoever at whom I'm actually aiming.

I don't have a union backing me to the hilt or a bottomless pit of taxpayer money for judgments and settlements.

In a good shoot, my assailant is SOL. If I miss because I've got a 50lb. trigger and hit somebody else, I'm SOL.

 

[Protected One]

I paid a little extra for all my guns and got the model that doesn't shoot unless the trigger is pulled.

 

[cmort666]

I paid a little extra for all my guns and got the model that doesn't shoot unless the trigger is pulled.

Me too.

The ONLY ND I've EVER had was from me PULLING THE TRIGGER... after having CYCLED THE SLIDE on an M1911 WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I went the other way. I installed 3.5lb. Ghost connectors in my Glock 19 and Glock 22.

I need to be able to hit whoever at whom I'm actually aiming.

I don't have a union backing me to the hilt or a bottomless pit of taxpayer money for judgments and settlements.

In a good shoot, my assailant is SOL. If I miss because I've got a 50lb. trigger and hit somebody else, I'm SOL.

If you can't hit what you're aiming at with a typical DA pull, then fine, stick with light triggers. Use what works for you. But comparing a Glock with a NY1 trigger spring or even a decent DA revolver pull to a 50lb pull is ridiculous. I prefer to balance shootability with a little more margin for error.

 

[cmort666]

If you can't hit what you're aiming at with a typical DA pull, then fine, stick with light triggers. Use what works for you. But comparing a Glock with a NY1 trigger spring or even a decent DA revolver pull to a 50lb pull is ridiculous. I prefer to balance shootability with a little more margin for error.

When I bought my Glock 22, I didn't notice that it had an NY trigger. It was HIDEOUS. I couldn't have a gunsmith get that thing out fast enough.

When I bought my VA Beach Sheriff's Dept. surplus Glock 19 from CDNN, it had some strange combination of parts in it, which while not NEARLY as bad as the NY trigger, was still awful.

Both of those guns have 3.5lb. connectors in them, which I learned to install.

I don't have a problem with normal revolver triggers... after a trigger job to smooth them out. Still it takes a LOT of practice to shoot a revolver effectively in double-action.

The triggers on D/A autos are VERY different from those on EITHER "safe action" (Glock) pistols OR revolvers. I've never seen a D/A auto pull that I could stomach, and simply won't own a D/A auto (other than for collector purposes, or as a belly gun) which can't be carried cocked and locked.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

None of my striker fired guns go bang unless I squeeze the trigger, and have gone bang every time I squeezed the trigger. That said, those who believe that they are a danger to themselves and others with a striker fired gun in thier hand.... who am I to argue with their self evaluation, right?

As far as safeties.... I won't carry a gun with a manual safety. Over the years I've seen countless numbers of folks at the range from beginners to well seasoned shooters take aim and squeeze the trigger with the safety engaged. I doubt it gets much better under high stress.

 

[cmort666]

As far as safeties.... I won't carry a gun with a manual safety. Over the years I've seen countless numbers of folks at the range from beginners to well seasoned shooters take aim and squeeze the trigger with the safety engaged. I doubt it gets much better under high stress.

It largely depends upon what you're used to.

The first handgun I bought was an M1911.

The last handgun I bought was an M1911.

There's been a LOT of shooting and carrying of M1911s and Browning Hi Powers in between.

That having been said, I'm just as comfortable carrying my Glock 19, and would never buy a similar gun with a safety.

After ALL these months, I'm almost to the point of sewing on my tuckable IWB for my Citadel 3.5 CS. When it's finished, I'll be switching from the Glock 19 to the Citadel.

 

[Hunter8282]

One of the reasons I love my PJ Holster. I put my Shield 9mm in it while I am holding it in my left hand. Then I put the holstered gun in my waistband. The trigger is completely covered when inserting in the waistband.

Once the gun is in the PJ Holster I am confident if can't be ND'd and the holster is SO easy to slip into the waistband and clip over the belt.

 

[Mister X]

"Your light trigger is not a status symbol"...
pistol-training.com >> Blog Archive >> A Light Trigger Pull Is Not a Status Symbol

On a defensive handgun, safety and shoot-ability must be balanced properly. I consider myself more of a self-defense exponent rather than a identify as a "gun guy", but can handle and shoot my NY trigger equipped Glocks reasonably well in dynamic shooting drills(shooting on the move, one handed as well as incorporating ECQ methods and skills etc.). I don't see the need for extreme precision marksmanship considering my focus. I rarely venture out past 21 feet in my training and instead devote most of my range time on developing the various close-quarter skills which are what will most likely be needed in the vast majority of civilian defense scenarios.

YMMV

 

[cmort666]

Your light trigger is not a status symbol...
pistol-training.com >> Blog Archive >> A Light Trigger Pull Is Not a Status Symbol

On a defensive handgun, safety and shoot-ability must be balanced properly. I consider myself more of a self-defense exponent rather than a identify as a "gun guy", but can handle and shoot my NY trigger equipped Glocks reasonably well in dynamic shooting drills(shooting on the move, one handed as well as incorporating ECQ methods and skills etc.). I don't see the need for extreme precision marksmanship considering my focus. I rarely venture out past 21 feet in my training and instead devote most of my range time on developing the various close-quarter skills which are what will most likely be needed in the vast majority of civilian defense scenarios.

YMMV

For me, the NY trigger is nothing but a liability with no upside. The killing of Akai Gurley clearly showed that even the currently outrageously heavy NYPD trigger won't stop a negligent discharge if somebody has their finger on the trigger, and if I have my finger on the trigger, it's because I'm squeezing the trigger to shoot somebody.

Accuracy impairing trigger actions never seem to stop the NYPD from having NDs, while causing them to miss... a LOT.

 

[ChiefStealth]

(snip) As far as safeties.... I won't carry a gun with a manual safety. Over the years I've seen countless numbers of folks at the range from beginners to well seasoned shooters take aim and squeeze the trigger with the safety engaged. I doubt it gets much better under high stress.

Yep! I've seen that happen to people at the range. Just never happened to me.

 

[JCFindley]

None of the guns I have really spent a lot of time with have safeties. My safety is keeping my finger off the trigger until ready to fire and making sure nothing else gets inside the trigger guard.

To this day, almost invariably, I forget the safety when shooting a gun that has one.

Of course that can be trained out but 30 years of a LOT of shooting is much harder to train out than it is to simply buy firearms that act like what I have always shot.

I shoot my revolvers double action except for the one that is straight single action.

 

[Lee in Quartzsite]

"how reliable is a striker fired pistol in reguards to AD's?"

The pistols are extremely reliable, the operators not so much. There is no such thing as an AD. Negligent Discharges (ND's) are the result of careless handling that are no fault of the gun.

 

[wsr]

None of my striker fired guns go bang unless I squeeze the trigger, and have gone bang every time I squeezed the trigger. That said, those who believe that they are a danger to themselves and others with a striker fired gun in thier hand.... who am I to argue with their self evaluation, right?

As far as safeties.... I won't carry a gun with a manual safety. Over the years I've seen countless numbers of folks at the range from beginners to well seasoned shooters take aim and squeeze the trigger with the safety engaged. I doubt it gets much better under high stress.

It's a matter of training nothing more
Even marginally experienced hunters seem to do just fine...
Soldiers seem to do just fine