How to remove the flash hider

swons73 said:
Thanks to everyone for the deep-dive on all different kinds of muzzle thingie's. To answer my original questions...I did put a Mechforce muzzle brake on my M&P 15T. The range I shoot at is outdoors, fairly open, and plenty of room between stations. The noise and concussion from this little thing shouldn't be an issue for anyone. I can't wait to take it out to the range and see how much difference it made. Thanks again to everyone for the needed info!
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You are welcome. If you haven't noticed, thread drift is common here. The info is usually useful but thread drift none the less. Ha ha!

Everyone is different on the felt recoil front. For most of my firearms, a brake isn't necessary for that purpose except for my 7.62 NATO, short barrel (16.5") bolt action rifle. I'm not a long range precision shooter, so it isn't that big of a deal to me. Decent groups at 100 yards is enough.

My 5.56 NATO bolt rifle is in desperate need of a flash suppressor. Same length barrel as the 7.62 and the muzzle flash during the day is quite impressive. I'll probably get an A2 flash suppressor for it to make sure dirt kick up is minimal and to dial that muzzle flash down. I've acquired the necessary tooling to cut the barrel diameter down and thread the barrel for it. Carolina Shooters sells the stuff for not a bad price and allows the average person with metal working knowledge to do it with basic tools.

Anyway, good luck and enjoy!


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Disabled1 said:
In BT we were issued (2) pair of boots. On the upper rear of one pair of the boots was a white dot painted onto them. We were to wear the dot pair every other day as to not wear out a pair from wearing them always.
One morning, during a Chinese fire drill, I put on the wrong pair of boots. From morning inspection until 20:30 that night, I was pushing up about every 15 minutes to an hour. From 20:30-21:00 was our time. My DI called me to his tent (11B-Infantry-We lived in the field 80% of BT). He told me why I did push ups all day. My arms were like rubber that evening, but, I slept very well! :D
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I too remember the white dot boot inspections. I never got caught on that one though.
 
wayne2356 said:
Shooting next to someone using a muzzle brake will ruin your range day.

Cant stand muzzle brakes ... especially on 223/556. There is no need for them
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While I agree they are louder, if he is training to shoot long distances and trying to involve the wife a muzzle brake at the range would be effective. The recoil isn't bad stock, but you have to train with what your going to shoot. Ammo and configuration.
Most ranges will have instructions on how to set your scope at 25/30 yards to be ready for 100+. Muzzle brakes cAn be inexpensive, no need for a $100 brake if it's not for competition. Just ensure it's a top ported brake and not a prett flash hider.
 
A muzzle brake may or may not reduce muzzle rise, but if it does, the bullet is already well on it's way to the target.
 
Steve912 said:
Ads and blogs are dandy, but when you want the correct
nomenclature, always check the -10.

US Army Operator's Manual, Rifle, 5.56mm M16 and M16A1:

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MILITARY/united _states_army_tm_9-1005-249-10 - 11_may_1990.pdf

Check page 35 of the PDF (page 2-1 of the TM).
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Almost every where I read about it they call it a FLASH HIDER.
Flash suppressor - Wikipedia
A flash suppressor, also known as a flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, or flash cone, is a device attached to the muzzle of a rifle that reduces its visible signature while firing by cooling or dispersing the burning gases that exit the muzzle, a phenomenon typical of carbine-length weapons.

Taken from the very first sentence of the very first paragraph. :cool:
 
Geeeesh... you fellas still struggling with the muzzle thingie? I shudder to think when the discussion turns to metallurgy and magnetic particle inspection. :D

Swons73, that Mechforce looks sharp. :cool:
Looking forward to your vid of it in action.
 
PanzerSS said:
Almost every where I read about it they call it a FLASH HIDER.
Flash suppressor - Wikipedia
A flash suppressor, also known as a flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, or flash cone, is a device attached to the muzzle of a rifle that reduces its visible signature while firing by cooling or dispersing the burning gases that exit the muzzle, a phenomenon typical of carbine-length weapons.

Taken from the very first sentence of the very first paragraph. :cool:
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Uh huh... and folks call magazines clips, receiver extensions are called buffer tubes, cartridges are called bullets, etc, but that doesn't make them correct. There is proper nomenclature, and there is "everyday" language that gets used. When looking for proper nomenclature of parts of a rifle originally designed for military use, I would say that the military tech manuals would be a better source than Wikipedia. Wikipedia is updated by anyone, hence the use of the "everyday" use of the term "flash hider".
 
cyphertext said:
Uh huh... and folks call magazines clips, receiver extensions are called buffer tubes, cartridges are called bullets, etc, but that doesn't make them correct. There is proper nomenclature, and there is "everyday" language that gets used. When looking for proper nomenclature of parts of a rifle originally designed for military use, I would say that the military tech manuals would be a better source than Wikipedia. Wikipedia is updated by anyone, hence the use of the "everyday" use of the term "flash hider".
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At the end of the day it's still a flash thingy-AKA-Flash Hider.
Even at the Nuremberg trials, you can't make me crack! It's a FLASH HIDER! :D
Ja Vol Herr Kommandant!
 
I have been trying to trace it back to its original/first patent..
thus far, it is still VERY questionable as to what it was originally named..

That said, I have a couple friends who are military vets as well, one did about 8 years, the other a full 20 and retired out..

One said Suppressor, the other said Hider.. LOL

Anyway, I got a friend of mine who is the Go-To guy for all questions fire arm - riffle etc related.. He is a long time collector and really knows a LOT!

He seems absolutely convinced it originated on a 308 something or another, and Was/is called a Flash HIDER..
(Don't quote me, as I honestly forgot what all he said the other day, but am pretty sure he did say a 308)..

I have been pretty convinced it is called a Flash Suppressor..

either way, I have concluded that it may never be answered with absolute certainty.. Especially considering that every time I think I have found the original/first patent on such a device, I run across another that pre dates it etc..

I give up.. for now..

I'm gonna go with muzzle thingy.. LOL
 
Pro2nd said:
I have been trying to trace it back to its original/first patent..

thus far, it is still VERY questionable as to what it was originally named..



That said, I have a couple friends who are military vets as well, one did about 8 years, the other a full 20 and retired out..



One said Suppressor, the other said Hider.. LOL



Anyway, I got a friend of mine who is the Go-To guy for all questions fire arm - riffle etc related.. He is a long time collector and really knows a LOT!



He seems absolutely convinced it originated on a 308 something or another, and Was/is called a Flash HIDER..

(Don't quote me, as I honestly forgot what all he said the other day, but am pretty sure he did say a 308)..



I have been pretty convinced it is called a Flash Suppressor..



either way, I have concluded that it may never be answered with absolute certainty.. Especially considering that every time I think I have found the original/first patent on such a device, I run across another that pre dates it etc..



I give up.. for now..



I'm gonna go with muzzle thingy.. LOL
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The first saw reference to a flash hider was with the M1 Garand and it was the cone type that clipped onto the bayonet lug. From my understanding, they didn't work well. While they may have hid the flash well, the way they mount would wear and throw the shot due to inconsistent seating.

The earliest flash suppressors I've seen were on the M14.

I'm not sure any of this helps but it's all I got.


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The best compensators can reduce recoil as much as 70% and can help small frame people shooting even with the lighter recoil of a AR ..
AR-15 Muzzle Brake Shootout #2 -- TheTruthAboutGuns

there's a young lady I see shooting her AR at the out door range I go to .. she is barely 5 feet if that tall and probably 95 pounds soaking wet .. I thought she was a kid the first time I saw her .. she has a compensator on hers and says it is the only way it makes it comfortable enough for her to shoot .. when she shoots her husband's that just has a flash hider on his the recoil difference is readily noticeable on her small frame ..

but dang it is much louder ..
 
Whitwabit said:
The best compensators can reduce recoil as much as 70% and can help small frame people shooting even with the lighter recoil of a AR ..

AR-15 Muzzle Brake Shootout #2 -- TheTruthAboutGuns



there's a young lady I see shooting her AR at the out door range I go to .. she is barely 5 feet if that tall and probably 95 pounds soaking wet .. I thought she was a kid the first time I saw her .. she has a compensator on hers and says it is the only way it makes it comfortable enough for her to shoot .. when she shoots her husband's that just has a flash hider on his the recoil difference is readily noticeable on her small frame ..



but dang it is much louder ..
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I've seen that and some other work they have done. I'm actually thinking about getting the Precision Armament M4-72 compensator for my 7.62 rifle. It does brake as high as 70% but it's pretty high on the list and for about $100, one heck of a deal for the performance you get.

In any case, if a person needs a brake, it's not a big deal to me. There are people that think a 7.62 NATO bolt rifle doesn't need one either. My shoulder tells me otherwise. Some people can shoot .300 Win Mag all day long. Good for them. In the end, we want people to shoot and enjoy shooting. The more the better.

In my original comment, I stated I wouldn't put a brake on a 5.56 AR and I hold to that but that is just me and my opinion. The OP can take whatever he wants from it and I won't think bad of him either way he chooses to go. The important thing is that the shooter is comfortable, wants to shoot because they are, and can work on doing it well if she doesn't already.


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Disabled1 said:
In BT we were issued (2) pair of boots. On the upper rear of one pair of the boots was a white dot painted onto them. We were to wear the dot pair every other day as to not wear out a pair from wearing them always.
One morning, during a Chinese fire drill, I put on the wrong pair of boots. From morning inspection until 20:30 that night, I was pushing up about every 15 minutes to an hour. From 20:30-21:00 was our time. My DI called me to his tent (11B-Infantry-We lived in the field 80% of BT). He told me why I did push ups all day. My arms were like rubber that evening, but, I slept very well! :D
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I'm back from my vacation! :rolleyes:
So, you had the "DOTTED BOOTS" as well, huh?
My (2) DI's were ex-MARINES from Viet Nam. Those guys were a few french fries short of a HAPPY MEAL!
When I arrived at BT in 1984 we had 269 troops. 11.5 weeks later, we graduated 69 troops! I have NEVER been in that great of shape in my whole life. I went in there 5'9", 210 lbs. I used to work out religiously. My DI's didn't want me anywhere around weights. They ran us so much, I'm still puking to this day. BTW, on graduation day I weighed 175 lbs. of the leanest, meanest muscle possible! HOOAH! :cool:
 
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