I am not trying to be a jerk...

[hkyplr]

I appreciate all the responses, but I think I need to make a couple things clear.

I have no issues with bulk ammo from Federal, Remington or Winchester. However, some semi auto rimfires do. Some of the inconveniences of the bulk rounds include Fail To Feed, Fail To Fire, Fail To Eject and other magazine issues. This problem can be corrected by using a higher quality ammunition. My 15-22, whether clean or dirty, lubed or dry, does not eat bulk ammo well and instead of taking a negative stance toward the rifle I understand that this is just an issue with rim fire ammunition so I use HV non bulk ammo because realistically, it is still cheaper than buying a centerfire AR in 5.56.

The Issue I took up was the fact the there are some shooters who are cheap and think the extra .01 to .04 cents a round are not worth it and believe that this Rifle is not worthy of positive words. If your rifle will eat anything, Great! My only issue with that is jealousy!

Just thought I would take some time to clarify this thread.

If some 15-22's will eat anything, like mine so far, and some are picky maybe it is something as simple as an adjustment or two. Not sure, but all things being equal, you would think they would all digest the same ammo.

 

[crazykg85]

If some 15-22's will eat anything, like mine so far, and some are picky maybe it is something as simple as an adjustment or two. Not sure, but all things being equal, you would think they would all digest the same ammo.

I had my gunsmith do a once over with my firearm and no issues. Most bulk ammo do not have the waxy covering over the ammo which can lead to issues in the firearm. I have put a lot of ammo through my 15-22, but the cost difference between bulk and non bulk does not hurt my shooting habits. Having a gunsmith make some adjustments might.

 

[bobbydachin]

I agree with you king and Ace and some others. A .22 is still a rifle no matter what dude tries to get in a "size" contest. ...of course I do wonder how many of the 15-22s bought for "my wife", are really for the husband? At the range I almost feel like I have to admit I did something wrong..."My name is Robert and I'm addicted to shooting a 15-22" oh and I like CCI Mini

 

[rraisley]

If some 15-22's will eat anything, like mine so far, and some are picky maybe it is something as simple as an adjustment or two. Not sure, but all things being equal, you would think they would all digest the same ammo.

I agree with that. In fact, when you think about it that way, buying expensive ammo might be just a way to get out of properly adjusting the firearm. ;-)

Of course, I, for one, do not know how to adjust. So today I bought a pack of CCI AR Tactical, and will see if that fixes my FTE problems I'm currently having with the Federal (S&W recommended) ammo. I'm not thrilled at the prospect, though. I guess I am cheap, but I hate to pay twice what other people are paying for the same amount of fun.

 

[crazykg85]

Ooooooo....drama.

I got a laugh out of what you said.




I buy Blazer bulk and have shot several thousand rounds without any issues. I guess I'm cheap and annoying. I couldn't care less. This is the internet.

FYI, there was not issue with Member "Basic". A PM was sent to him to clarify. His comment was removed by a moderator. Also, my Rifle loves Blazer bulk- Just not everything else.

 

[fred5876r]

My Sig 522 has always functioned 100% with Federal bulk pack (except for the occasional dud), but the latest batch I bought has been yielding about 5% duds, so I have switched to CCI AR (for matches, at least), and I just bought a box of Winchester M22 to try.

 

[Gopher Slayer]

My 15-22, whether clean or dirty, lubed or dry, does not eat bulk ammo well

It doesn't bother you that mine does (well,most brands), and many others do too? It would bother me, but that's just me I guess.

FYI, there was not issue with Member "Basic". A PM was sent to him to clarify. His comment was removed by a moderator. Also, my Rifle loves Blazer bulk- Just not everything else.

I understood. Your wink smiley told me that you probably chuckled at his comment too.

 

[Aceman58]

I did some research on the 22LR and the reason I am only shooting CCI Tactical rounds is as stated below:
1. Designed for semi-auto 22lr rifles like the M&P 15/22
2. Copper plated, no leading in the barrel
3. 40gr bullet, semi's like heavy bullets
4. A tad slower in speed 1200 vs. 1230 on the regular CCI
5. Bullet nose more rounded to help in feeding in the semi's
6. Lightly wax'ed coated to aid in mag feeding
7. Good tight bullet to case mounting, (Winchesters the bullet wiggle in the case, this causes wild flyers durig shooting)

These are reasons I feel the performance is best with this round. For the added $5 bucks, it is money well spent for me.. Give CCI a shot, you may like what you see... I know I do...

 

[crazykg85]

My Sig 522 has always functioned 100% with Federal bulk pack (except for the occasional dud), but the latest batch I bought has been yielding about 5% duds, so I have switched to CCI AR (for matches, at least), and I just bought a box of Winchester M22 to try.

The M-22's have worked really well in my rifle. My only issue is finding them and not paying full price or a ton of money in shipping. They are dirtier than some other rounds but they have enough power to keep the action working. I haven't fired the CCI AR Tactical yet, but I shoot a lot of Mini Mags, Stingers and Velocitors for various purposes.

 

[deallad]

My 15-22 loves aguilla hv stuff and shoots sub 1/2 groups at 50 yards, though it take just about anything i've put through it, the Fed bulk was good but a few flyers Fiocchi was good too but made the gun really dirty CCI Mini mag was good but there was always a flyer too.

So all in all Aguilla for target comps and cci mini mag for hunting

 

[Teruteru314]

Fellows, I can't stop grinning ...
Around here, 100 CCI Hi Speed cost 14 US$ (same as Winchesters), and CCI Standard 18 US$.
We certainly look very closely .22 LR bullet performances. The biggest problem is that we don't have too much to choose from.

 

[crofoot629]

My Spikes Tactical was manufactured to run best with Federal Bulk Pack per Spikes.
It also runs great with my AAC Element Can and bulk Federal.

And it runs extremely well. I save the Mini Mags for my more finicky Marvels 1911 conversion which it eats best IMHO.

Emory

 

[w0ady]

my gun has shot mini-mags, federal bulk and champion without issue. ive got a box of tactical to try out as well. that will probably be my long range ammo and i will stick to champion for indoor as i like to buy up somewhat.

 

[GypsmJim]

I reload 26 calibers and have had 100% success with my home brews. In recent years I started to shoot more .22s because my wife likes them more. I used to shoot nothing but CCI, but then for Christmas one year I got a box of Fed bulk 550s from my son. Tried them in all my revolvers and naturally they worked good. Then tried them in several semi-auto pistols that were previously problematic and they worked great there too. They are 100% in my 15-22 (can't even remember a misfire or ftf). Recently bought my wife a new Ruger SR-22 and it has fired the Feds 100% out of the box.

Short story long, my ammo box now has many thousands of Federal 550's that I got last Fall at Gander for $15 a box and haven't had a complaint so far.

OTOH, you couldn't give me anything Remington for free. The last brick I bought at at least 50% misfires in a revolver!

 

[mn_doggie]

Me, I don't do "plinking" per say. It is either matches or practice for matches. Sometimes instructing. For matches I use the best ammo the gun likes, which at this point is CCI-Tactical. Win M-22 works OK and it likes Fed 550 bulk so I practice with that when I can get it. It did not like Fed 525 Champion. Turns out they are sized a little longer than Fed 550 and my PC model's match chamber did not like that as well. As for the lead vs. copper clad issue it is a non-issue in .22 regardless of some opinions. The reason the lube is on the ammo is due to that. Once you put 5 rounds thru the barrel it won't matter. I have shot close to or over 15k rounds since I got the gun last July. I have never had to use solvent in the barrel and you should not either. I have only passed a boresnake thru the barrel about every 1-2 months if I get around to it. The only part I clean is the ignition area (bolt, breech, and feedramp) and only lube the rails. Other than that I just shoot it.

OK, now your freaking me out....

I have several thousand rounds of Federal bulk ammo. I thought they were all pretty much the same with just different packages for different stores. Walmart sells the 550 boxes. I've purchased Fed 525 and Fed 375 at Cabelas. All are copper plated hp rounds at 36 grs. While I haven't taken a micrometer to them to verify (some are still unopened boxes) you are finding differences in sizing.... Have you ever used the 325 round bulk Fed?

I do see that they have different load numbers (750, 755 and 775) but Federal's website doesn't elaborate.

 

[Majorlk]

OK, now your freaking me out....

I have several thousand rounds of Federal bulk ammo. I thought they were all pretty much the same with just different packages for different stores. Walmart sells the 550 boxes. I've purchased Fed 525 and Fed 325 at Cabelas. All are copper plated hp rounds at 36 grs. While I haven't taken a micrometer to them to verify (some are still unopened boxes) you are finding differences in sizing.... Have you ever used the 325 round bulk Fed?

I do see that they have different load numbers (750, 755 and 775) but Federal's website doesn't elaborate.

As far as I can find out, the only differences are the packaging, quantity and the end retailer. The ballistic data is exactly the same. I have shot the 525 (about 5k so far, with another 18k on the shelf) and a couple of boxes of the 325. Absolutely ZERO difference in performance, including accuracy.

 

[Kuhndog86]

I just bought my M&P 15-22 a few days ago, so far I have only ran 100 rds through it and had 4 Fail to Feed! The first 50 I ran through were cheap Federal Lightning and they did it twice, the next 50 were CCI Mini Mags and they did it twice as well.

I noticed when loading the magazine that everyonce in a while the top round would lay flat at the top rather than at an angle. That round seems to be sticking. A simple smack usually fixes it but im thinking it is the main reason for the failure to feed. Everytime I load I make sure the rounds are staggered in the mag.

Im new to the AR world and im trying to figure out if its me or the weapon. Any suggestions?

 

[rraisley]

The 15-22 magazines are VERY touchy. While I have found that they stagger, as they're supposed to, pretty naturally, if the round does not stick up (as you say), it will not feed. So, you have to be sure each round is "just so" before proceeding. Unlike my shooting buddies Umarex Colt & HK, which he seems to just dump into the mag, and they "just fire".

I think this must be why people buy SO MANY magazines: so they can load them slowly at home, and not have to worry about it at the range.

 

[OKLAHOMAMOSES]

I'm with you on this one crazy, i've seen it in forum posts here and on others, (***) won't shoot any thing but Zombie certified 40grn round nose titanium dipped aus8 stainless 22lr in the inconvient 10 round boxes ,manufactured in the Higgs Boson skunk works underground facility in Parhump Nevada! It's a $400.00+ rifle that some eat anything and others have more desciminating tastes. I have two ruger mkIII 22/45's bought the same day for me and jr, his will fire matchsticks if you could load them, mine turns it's nose up at every thing but,(wait for it) federal brown box chinamart special. If they get to the point that the difference between a $17.95 bulk box and one at $25.00 qualifies them sending the offending *** down the road, please find my email addy and i will send you the money through paypal. OBTW, i've got a 34 year old mini 14 that is a tack driver in the 42-55 grain area, 60 and up and it throws rounds out like they are shaped like triangles.

 

[OKLAHOMAMOSES]

OBTW, yes i own a 15/22 smith with the blue spring, 1500+ rounds and still loving it.