I am really tired of ammunition shortages...

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Since Sandy Hook and the ensuing panic over potential gun laws ammo and reloading materials have been hard to impossible to find. Why does this situation continue? This is America, dammit, the land of Capitalism and entrepreneurialism. Demands are supposed to be filled by new supply. That's basic Econ 101. Why are we still unable to find 22 ammo and reloading powder after more than two years? Has America fallen to such a sorry state that we can't rely on our manufacturing strength? We used to win wars through being a manufacturing giant. Now...phffft! Even if we can't make enough on our own, what about importing goods from other countries? You'd think countries with cheap labor would step in and fill the need. I guess not.
 
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Reloading supplies aren't scarce in this part of Dixie. 22lr. can be found too. You must live way back, I live in the heart of Dixie, I see you live in the kidney. Go to the big city man, come to Memphis and get some ribs. PM me, I'll tell you all the spots the locals get em'. :):D:cool:


P.S. we got a great big giant pyramid full of reloading supplies, it's down by the river.
 
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I'm headed to Memphis in a month or so. Let me know where I can pick up some HP38 LOL

Matt
 
Anyone is free to attempt to obtain financing and construct their own ammo plant. Since this has not happened en masse, I would guess that the involved calculations do not show it to be economically viable or a good investment.
 
I'm in upstate NY, we have plenty of both.
For probably the first time in my life, I'm thinkin' I need to visit NY. :D
Back to the OP. If memory serves, the number of acutal gunpowder manufacturing sites is very small. And highly regulated (over regulated ?) Perhaps someone with better knowledge of such things will chime in.
 
Here in the Southwest the rimfire and powder shortages seem to be abating. All other ammo is plentiful. The shortage was caused by an irrational reaction to a perceived threat, similar to the run on banks back in the 1930s. Instead of buying what we needed, we bought everything we could get our hands on. That's Econ 101 also. The biggest threat to the supply was the hoarding mentality of the buying public, and yes I was guilty of it too.
 
The word is that ammunition manufacturers are fearing the "crash" and want to ease into supply normalization, rather than slam into the big dip that will eventually happen if the supply wind up gets to big. Like all run markets, the uptick of demand is temporary, and worst of all, self perpetuating. They know these high prices and shortages won't last, and to rush in with new supply would collapse the speculation and destroy the market, expected demand, and expected prices the new plants and production would be based upon. Capitalism does work, its that investors are smart enough not to sink money into a temporary market they know will never stand up. If the demand was permanent, you could easily bet that there would be a slew of new 22lr factories going up.

To the investor, the ammunition crisis is a glass hammer; if you try to take advantage of it and use it, it will simply break in your hand. The current shortages are artificial and run by speculators, and as soon as you put enough product back into the market to flood the speculators out, the artificial market collapses, and you are left with a normal market again, at best, or even a flooded market with even lower prices. By fixing the market problem, you destroyed the conditions you were basing the sustainability of the new factory on. In reality, its a sure loss.

We saw this with centerfire cartidges; once supply started to catch up, the speculator market started to implode, and there are many speculators out there sitting on tens of thousands, or perhaps hundreds of thousands, of rounds they bought at a high price betting on the speculator market to keep going forever. Once supply stabilized, prices began to drop like a stone, and are now normalized for many calibers. Once the speculators lost control, it was over, and so were the expected prices.

Rimfire will go the same route eventually. even though it is far worse with consumer demand, continued consumer hording, and speculators holding onto the market after being chased out of centerfire, and the kind of idiots who pay $80 online for a $20 brick knowing full well that their own actions are the reason the speculators are doing this in the first place. Most of all, no manufacturer wants to be left holding the bag when the whole thing implodes.
 
I see no relief. The ammo is MIA. Once every few weeks some turns up at one store or another but nothing sustained. Owners/managers say they simply aren't getting any from distributors. Only a tiny fraction of usual is being delivered. That doesn't sound like a demand problem but a supply problem.

I have not seen any Unique for sale in 2 years. Same with 2400. Finally found some 4064 (the 3 I use most) recently but no more since I bought the one can.

If manufacturers are waiting because they think this situation is short term, it doesn't look like it from where I stand. Been 2.5 years and I see nothing changing.
 
With reloading....

With reloading, in intend to become independent of the ammo supply. Also it's educational and fun and you can make any load combination your little heart desires.

Powder is still hard to find, but a pound loads many bullets. Primers are more available now. Order a couple thousand bulk bullets. I keeps several for each caliber I use. Jacketed, softswage, hardcast already lubed with a coating.

If you use a powder like Bullseye or Titegroup for target type loads, the amount used per case is TINY.
 
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I also enjoy shooting my two 22 mag rifles but as stated above until recently has been a problem finding the right make and grain bullet. Prefer CCI 40 grain H.P. but often have to settle for solids or Gamepoints. Guess lucky to find any. Used to pay under $12 for 50 but lucky to get em for $16 or higher.
 
I think part of the problem is that even at $45 for a box of 500 22LR is still considerably cheaper than anything else. Same with pistol powder. One $20 pound can load thousands of 9mm loads. Because of this people can afford to stockpile the stuff even at inflated prices.
I never would have guessed that this situation could go on for so long. I started reloading in 2013 and have never been able to just walk into a store and expect them to have powder that I want. For awhile I was calling all the local stores once or twice per week until I was able to acquire the powders I was looking for.
 
Importing goods from other counties? I don't know about the rest of the country, but for the last year or so here in Texas there are always a few boxes of Aguila brand from Mexico on the shelves. What we can't get is CCI Mini-Mag or 22 WRM.

I have been one of the guys waiting for the store to open for 2 1/2 years now. Where there were 50-60 people in line in 2013, there are now 2-5 of us and we still can't get what we want for weeks at a time. But, they always have Aguila if you have to have it now.
 
I agree, this is getting old! Now to side track a bit, I think one has to develop a three prong attack to this problem. One, stock pile a amount of factory ammo that is not to be touched and kept for future needs, read "emergency". Two, stockpile an amount for daily use and replenish as you can. Three, get into hand loading your own, and stocking up a three year supply of powder, primers and such and keeping it at that level. This includes casting your own bullets as well, yeah I know casting is time consuming, messy and lead is getting more expensive but how expensive is unobtainable? You can always find lead.

This approach is not easy and takes years (for most of us) to "get there". I feel you have to get a bit aggressive in your thinking on this and learn when to not walk away from supply's when available. I do feel for the folks just getting into the shooting sports as this is indeed challenging time's but make a plan and make it happen. When you "get there" it feels real good!
 
Oh, and......

Oh, and start saving your brass NOW.

Brass can be used for five, twenty, or even more depending on the type of loads you use and are careful not to overwork the brass.

Once you get a supply of brass, you don't have to get any more except what you mess up, lose or finally wear out.

Or you can buy some good brand (makes good brass) target loads, shoot 'em up. Then you've got brass.
 
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Reloading supplies aren't scarce in this part of Dixie. 22lr. can be found too. You must live way back, I live in the heart of Dixie, I see you live in the kidney. Go to the big city man, come to Memphis and get some ribs. PM me, I'll tell you all the spots the locals get em'. :):D:cool:


P.S. we got a great big giant pyramid full of reloading supplies, it's down by the river.

Baton Rouge , Louisiana. 22 ammo still scarce.
Cabela's will let you buy only 2-50 round boxes. Wall-Mart, still a not-in stock. Salesperson told me to get to the store before daylight and wait in the ammo line. A truck might come that day.
Handgun powder, found only a few 14 .oz bottles of 700X.
Shortage gives an excuse to jump the price up, they can sell everything at a bigger profit. No sense ending a good thing.
I don't have time to get up a 6:30 AM and wait for the trucks, have to work.
 
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