I guess the 40 is not dead

[Gman556]

Back when I carried the Glock 22 on duty.. still carry a .40 S&W today with either the Shield or my Springfield XD mod.2 40 for personal carry. I don't care if there are naysayers about the .40 S&W.

No one should care what the naysayers say about any caliber anyone carries. They all work fine.

So many childish people who just love to argue about caliber in the firearms community. It really is kind of pathetic and borderline nerdy.

There are a lot of people who took that room temperature challenge, or visited the ER at one time or another, and I don't think they really give a **** what caliber it was that someone shot them with.

 

[Doug M.]

That's the second time in as many days as I've seen Pat's name. I'm going to go pull my Ruger out of the safe.

IIRC it was the .40 Glocks that showed the issues that caused some design changes.

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I sure do miss Pat and the fine folks I met in his classes. And you are right, the .40 Glocks took a long time to become functional. There was a really detailed string about them in the old 10-8 forums from 2008 or so.

 

[mrshyvley]

No one should care what the naysayers say about any caliber anyone carries. They all work fine.

So many childish people who just love to argue about caliber in the firearms community. It really is kind of pathetic and borderline nerdy.

There are a lot of people who took that room temperature challenge, or visited the ER at one time or another, and I don't think they really give a **** what caliber it was that someone shot them with.

Yes, a person can advocate a certain caliber and explain the virtues they see in that caliber without insulting others who prefer a different caliber.

 

[biku324]

Recipients of police-fired 40 caliber rounds universally dislike it - they have for decades.

 

[Gman556]

Yes, a person can advocate a certain caliber and explain the virtues they see in that caliber without insulting others who prefer a different caliber.

Agreed, but it happens here quite often with the same members, and when I have called them out on it here I always get a warning from a mod about being nice here.

It really reminds me of when I argue with left wingers and provide facts and then all they do is resort to insults and name calling.

It's childish, and petty in some ways.

Worst part about it is some are grown men.

 

[Well Armed]

No one should care what the naysayers say about any caliber anyone carries. They all work fine.

So many childish people who just love to argue about caliber in the firearms community. It really is kind of pathetic and borderline nerdy.

There are a lot of people who took that room temperature challenge, or visited the ER at one time or another, and I don't think they really give a **** what caliber it was that someone shot them with.

That's not possible when it comes to 40s&w and 7.62x39. To many emotional grown adult men in the gun community for that!

40S&W was introduced as a better compromise replacement for 9mm, 10mm, and 45acp. More power and bigger bullet than 9mm, while still being in a 9mm sized platform with comparable capacity. A smaller and lighter platform than 10mm with less expensive ammo, less recoil, and less wear and tear on the components. Small platform than 45acp with better barrier penetration and capacity.... As a side effect of all this, many, not all, of those who were 9mm, 45acp, and 10mm fanboys all felt threatened and insecure being told their favorite caliber was in someway inferior, so they banned together to bash and hate a perfectly great caliber in it's on right!

Then when it comes to 7.62x39, the AR15 mafia and veterans and services men whose enemies were armed with this inanimate object chambered in x39 all banned together to bash and HATE AK47s and any and everything chambered in what's arguably one of the most battle tested and commonly used rifle caliber on the battle field.

Every caliber has their own pros and cons. They have things they do better than other calibers and roles/task they will be best suited for than other calibers. I can't understand the logic behind hating or disliking any reliable caliber. I like and own 22lr, 380acp, 9mm, 40s&w, 45acp, 38spc, 357mag, 44mag, etc. all for different purposes and roles.

 

[DonD]

No, it's not going anywhere.

I really like my Beretta PX4 Full size in .40. Underwood ammo in .40 outperforms most 10mm ammo, but of course not Underwood 10mm.

Loaded the way I like it, it's a very worthwhile bump over 9mm. Don

 

[Doug M.]

The incremental differences between pistol calibers is not much. A pistol is what one carries when they have no specific reason to expect trouble. If you have a specific reason to expect trouble, the first and best answer is to not be there. If you have to be there, you should have a good long gun and all your friends with similar platforms.

 

[Heatmiser]

I might see a Smith in my collection now…The M&Ps always have had my curiosity but now they have my attention!

 

[IllinoisFineGuns]

The .40 is not dead!

I'm still shooting my trusty, cherry Model 4046.

 

[hardluk1]

Recipients of police-fired 40 caliber rounds universally dislike it - they have for decades.

Most newbie LE's are not shooters in general specially much experience with handguns . There softer people over all so the 9mm is sorta ok with them in a full size handgun.

I figure in 25 years from now a full size will be the handgun at least for training of a new generation of LE !!

 

[DonD]

Another good example, perhaps even better yet would be .45 Colt.

45 Colt?? The 45 Colt is overwhelmingly a revolver cartridge, ill suited to semi autos.

45 ACP is OK in semis but the 10mm is far more powerful. Don

 

[Jocko-44]

.40 cal not even close to dead imo

 

[hardluk1]

45 Colt?? The 45 Colt is overwhelmingly a revolver cartridge, ill suited to semi autos.

45 ACP is OK in semis but the 10mm is far more powerful. Don

But the 10mm is still just a typical handgun cartridge ! Not the best for daily carry in a big city or around crowds . The 10mm is an ok cartridge for thin skinned game at modest ranges or a good carry option if you live in big bear country and then there are many other choices depending on your needs.

Yea the 45colt is ill suited for semi autos but in the right revolvers it also had far more potential than the 10mm could ever achieve .

 

[Echo40]

45 Colt?? The 45 Colt is overwhelmingly a revolver cartridge, ill suited to semi autos.

45 ACP is OK in semis but the 10mm is far more powerful. Don

How is any of this relevant to the paragraph that you quoted a mere portion of out of context?

Seriously, I was comparing .45 Colt to .40 S&W due to the fact that both were only popular with law enforcement for a relatively short time, yet .45 Colt remained popular long afterwards with firearms still being chambered in the cartridge today, hence my argument that there's no precedent for the belief that .40 S&W — or any other cartridge for that matter — falling out of favor with Law Enforcement indicates that it will fall out of favor among civilians and thusly fade away into obscurity.

If you're going to argue with me then argue with my complete post, not just a single sentence quoted out of context.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

He certainly has a point there...

Cheers!

P.S. I knew what you meant...

P.P.S. The 45 Colt in the so-called "Ruger ONLY" mode (and in the appropriate firearm, of course!) does, indeed, eclipse the 10mm: a Buffalo-Barnes 225gr XPB under 24gr of H110 @ 1400 fps certainly exceeds similar 10mm heavy duty projectiles, but...

It's hard to argue with having 10-15 rounds available in a much lighter semi-automatic pistol vs. 6 (or, possibly even as few as 5?) from a revolver.. Can't recall hearing of many encounters with Griz where a speedloader ever came into play...

 

[Echo40]

Heck, even an actual, full-power SAMMI Spec Standard Pressure .45 Colt load actually has a fair amount of power itself.

Buffalo Bore's Standard Pressure Heavy .45 Colt Outdoorsman load will drive a 255gr Gas Checked Bullet at 1000fps, delivering 566ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle.

And that load can be fired safely from any .45 Colt Revolver rated for modern Smokeless Powder loads, so the .45 Colt can hold its own quite well against anything but full-power 10mm Auto loads, easily outperforming FBI Loads.

 

[S&WForty]

My .40 Shield is my fav CC gun.

That has been my EDC since 2013. I had to wait 12 weeks after putting down a deposit. It's been great, but I want more capacity.

I kinda want either a M&P 2.0 FS or compact for 15 or 13 rounds. I was disappointed in only seeing Shields and the new Metal on S&W's site.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I have a pile of .40 S&W chambered guns, even have a PCC in it. Spent half of my LE career carrying .40 S&W.

My three favorite .40 S&W guns are my GLOCK 22, Beretta 96G Brigader Elite II, and S&W Model 4040PD. Other than those guns, I have more S&Ws, GLOCKs, HKs, Browning HPs, and SIGs chambered in .40 S&W.

 

[Brian Parrish]

Why go to 40?
Assault Weapons Ban. If you can only carry ten then get 'em bigger.
Plastic guns. The Glock 40 cal was $100 cheaper per unit (or more).
1986 FBI Miami Shootout, some ignoramuses blamed the deaths of the agents on the ineffectiveness of the 115 grain Winchester Silvertip.

Back to the 9mm?
Ammo is cheaper.
Also the ammo is way cheaper.
Also 40 caliber ammo is much more expensive.
FBI Handgun Wounding Effectiveness Study. I downloaded and read the whole thing. Pretty much proves that handguns just don't work very well.

If you are going to pour a whole lot of bullets into a guy then the 9mm gives you a speed advantage.

If you are going to shoot a whole lot of bullets over the perpetrator's head then the 40 is better for that.

If you are starring in an action movie, which is what most people think they are doing, any caliber is fine.

Kind Regards,
BrianD