G.T. Smith
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Hey everyone, Everything worked out for the best. nothing happened.
thanks for the responses.
peace,
gordon
thanks for the responses.
peace,
gordon
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I have a question for the lawyers/LEO's
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I work for a company that sells primarily to the public sector but we have federal sales. There is a posting that says I can't be forced to take a polygraph.
Out side of that, there is that 5th Amendment. Something isn't sounding right to me.
Szumi
Out side of that, there is that 5th Amendment. Something isn't sounding right to me.
Szumi
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Hi:
In my part of the world:
one cannot be forced to take a polygraph exam.
An Agency can "Request" a person to submit to a Polygraph but the person does not have to. Polygraph Test results are not admissable in court.
One does not have to report to a Agency Office for an "Interview".
If there was sufficent evidence for an arrest, then your Daughter would be arrested or a "Notice To Appear" issued to her.
The other side of the coin: two residents signed affidavets that your Daughter attempted to sell "Them" the Morphine Patches? You might consider hiring an Attorney. Also the Police might be "Bluffing" (Lying to get your Daughter to confess)
Jimmy
Hi:
In my part of the world:
one cannot be forced to take a polygraph exam.
An Agency can "Request" a person to submit to a Polygraph but the person does not have to. Polygraph Test results are not admissable in court.
One does not have to report to a Agency Office for an "Interview".
If there was sufficent evidence for an arrest, then your Daughter would be arrested or a "Notice To Appear" issued to her.
The other side of the coin: two residents signed affidavets that your Daughter attempted to sell "Them" the Morphine Patches? You might consider hiring an Attorney. Also the Police might be "Bluffing" (Lying to get your Daughter to confess)
Jimmy
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feralmerril
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Remember its legal for a cop to lie to you. It`s a scare tatic. Also, I aint nobody.
Rugskipper
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If I were she, I'd show up at the 2:00 tomorrow with my lawyer in tow, and ask them to repeat for the record everything they previously told her about the "evidence" against her, how she must submit to the polygraph, what happens after, etc. Then she and her lawyer can decide if the polygraph needs to happen. It's a lot easier to clear a case with a confession than to actually have to investigate it. Not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
That is a good point. Cops often win because criminals that haven't done time yet are ill-informed and thus easy to roll.
Szumi
Btw, the more your daughter talks the tighter the noose becomes. It does not matter if she is guilty or not guilty. Speak only through a lawyer period.
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DeathGrip
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Time to "Lawyer Up".I'm not a LEO or Lawyer or Criminal but I sure can see.
Best wishes.
Best wishes.
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Retired law-enforcement here, over 30 years............ I second the advice to lawyer up immediately and refuse the polygraph at all costs. It's obvious your daughter has become the focus of the investigation at this time. Don't let her talk to anybody except her lawyer from this point forward and let him do all the talking for her. Even if she gets fired......... Even arrested........ Shut up NOW! Lawyer up immediately!
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jlrhiner
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And remember, this is America, God Bless it, where we still get to confront our accusers. Get names of the people who signed the affadavits. Sounds like they're trying for a confession thru fear. Remember what Caj says, "Sue everybody!"
OK, he might not have actually said that, but he wanted to.
OK, he might not have actually said that, but he wanted to.
m1gunner
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Tell your daughter to not say another word. Either she is under arrest, or she isn't, there is no gray area.
She has the absolute right to remain silent, she should use it. This includes refusal of polygraph and all interviews or interrogation.
The LEOs are not trying to clear her, they are trying to trip her up.
As already mentioned, now is the time to lawyer up. It does cost money, but freedom isn't free.
edit to add: Dollars to donuts there are no affidavits.
And tell her do not lie under any circumstances, that will get her locked up. Just zip the mouth and say nothing.
She has the absolute right to remain silent, she should use it. This includes refusal of polygraph and all interviews or interrogation.
The LEOs are not trying to clear her, they are trying to trip her up.
As already mentioned, now is the time to lawyer up. It does cost money, but freedom isn't free.
edit to add: Dollars to donuts there are no affidavits.
And tell her do not lie under any circumstances, that will get her locked up. Just zip the mouth and say nothing.
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cmort666
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Not a cop or a lawyer, but my best friend here's a very good criminal defense attorney.
Never, ever talk to the cops in an adversarial situation (or one that could even remotely become one) without a lawyer present.
In such a situation, the police are most definitely not your friends nor are they trying to help you. As pointed out by others, they are allowed to lie to you, and will cheerfully do so.
Anybody who doesn't think they need a lawyer in such a situation ought to have a talk with the former members of the Duke lacrosse team. They HAD lawyers and were almost railroaded.
Drug beef? To paraphrase Josef Stalin, "Lawyer, lawyer and lawyer some more."
Never, ever talk to the cops in an adversarial situation (or one that could even remotely become one) without a lawyer present.
In such a situation, the police are most definitely not your friends nor are they trying to help you. As pointed out by others, they are allowed to lie to you, and will cheerfully do so.
Anybody who doesn't think they need a lawyer in such a situation ought to have a talk with the former members of the Duke lacrosse team. They HAD lawyers and were almost railroaded.
Drug beef? To paraphrase Josef Stalin, "Lawyer, lawyer and lawyer some more."
Another retired cop here, another vote to lawyer up. No lie box unless her attorney says OK. Remember the results of the lie box are based on the examiners opinion.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Short answer: Lawyer up Immediately.
Polygraphs are worthless as the probverbial appendages on a bull. They are inadmissible in Court and in my 28 years I have yet to mee any local LEO that had the expertise to administer one. Plus if she passed they are still gonna charge her.
Polygraphs are worthless as the probverbial appendages on a bull. They are inadmissible in Court and in my 28 years I have yet to mee any local LEO that had the expertise to administer one. Plus if she passed they are still gonna charge her.
watchmanjimg
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For once, a thread without lawyer-bashing! 
I concur with the other posters. Lawyer up!
I concur with the other posters. Lawyer up!
HOUSTON RICK
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Years of freedom may hang on every word. Lawyer up.
CJ
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I'm no lawyer. The snip above is what strikes me the strangest of all. Something is very wrong here. I'll jump in with the rest and say get an attorney before doing anything! This stinks of set up badly.
jrs70
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One, they are blowing smoke. Two, If they could have charged her they would have. Three don't say another word. four, retain a lawyer. five do what ever the lawyer says.
This is what I would do.
Paul
This is what I would do.
Paul
Signs up with the get a lawyer and say nothing.
They have to prove their accusations. She doesn't have to prove anything.
They have to prove their accusations. She doesn't have to prove anything.
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