I just don't GET this obsessive Sigma "trigger thing"!

[mgo]

Maybe I just got lucky, and bought a Sigma with an unusually good trigger....So my opinion is just me, based on my one Sigma..

but what's with all this "long" "gritty" "hard" trigger terminology that I keep reading about?

- Using my little ol' ruler and measuring, it's just a 1/4 inch light slack till the trigger engages the sear. That's not long....

- After that there's a half inch travel as the striker is carried back to the point where it is de-coupled by the sear. Resistance for this action is around 8-10 pounds. (I do not have a way to measure it) That's a 3/4 inch throw from rest to fire with the Sigma.

Gritty? There's no gritty. My pistol breaks clean and that's it...
I just use a little "Slide Glide" product on the sear to smooth it out a bit.

Considering this is a full double action striker setup, where the striker is fully at rest (unlike the Glock's half cock and the S&W M&P's full cock striker) the action is remarkably good.

I just don't understand the need for a "ball point pen spring fix", or a "special spring from a 1948 Dodge pickup front suspension" fix, or any other oddball cobble-job.

So...educate me, flame me, or just excuse me while I go over to the range and shoot my Sigma, instead of endlessly overhauling the poor thing...

 

[JAGGUY]

I think the majority around here will agree with you. Your description fits my 40VE exactly.

 

[leejack]

mgo, excellent sir!

I've said this a million times, in a million different ways:

If you don't like the trigger on the sigma, don't buy it!

The sigma is what it is, and does what it does, and it does it well!

If you want a Buckmark like trigger pull then get a Buckmark!

Don't try to make it something it isn't!

If you want a 2lb 1911 custom type pull on your gun, than buy one, not the sigma! No problem here!

When I watch my little girl devour the 10 ring every time with the sigma I am laughing at all the 250lb microsoft cowboys who have ever logged on to the internet and cried and whined about the sigma!

IF YOU ROCK, THE SIGMA ROCKS! IF YOU DON'T, THE SIGMA DONT! IT IS THAT SIMPLE!

 

[leejack]

^^^^ Damn that was good!

 

[.357 mag]

Lees the man!!!

 

[leejack]

Right back at ya my friend!

 

[leejack]

Sorry guys, but I'm not done!

I've followed the sigma since the beginning. For one reason or another, I always put off getting one. I think that I was so turned off after reading how bad this gun was for 15 years that I just couldn't do it. Then, my daughter got interested in one; so I began to read some more. I realized that there were other guns that I owned or liked that got bashed on the internet too. So I cleared my head and started asking questions. Two amazing people, both members of this forum, erich and 357 mag answered my questions and in a way, pushed me over the edge. To them, I owe a huge thanks!

I took my girl to try as many poly guns as we could and told her I'll get whatever she wants. The ergos on the sigma blew all of them, all of them out of the water. Then, I let her pull the dreaded 500lb trigger on the sigma. She said "Dad, what are these guys talking about,; this isn't bad at all", so I bought one.

It is the most under rated, under appreciated product on earth!

If a person doesn't have the strength in their hand to manage the trigger, I fully understand that. It's OK; just don't buy a sigma because it's cheap! If you do decide to buy one, then dedicate yourself to train and practice until you master it.

Bottom line: It's a fun gun that just keeps tickin and tickin!

I've been hearing rumors lately that there are a few people out there kicking butt in competition with their sigmas. Hmmm, I wonder who?

 

[Quanah]

My wife doesn't 'get' the Sigma trigger whining, either.

In fact the biggest obstacle to mastering these guns is whiners crying about how hard the trigger is... if you pay too much attention to them, you'll be fretting over the trigger when you ought to be watching the front sight.

My wife shot this 7 yard target; she fired five rounds of Federal 165 HydraShok, from both a Glock 23 and an Allied Forces SW40VE.

The rounds she fired from the Sigma are highlighted in blue.

She was pretty happy with that...

and so was I.

Ignore about 90% of what you read about this gun- and just commit to mastering it. Grip, front sight, press straight back in one smooth continuous motion while keeping that sight on target. Repeat until it becomes second nature. Hits will result.

 

["JJ"]

If someone told me that this thread was in the Sigma forum with out me seeing it, I would have bet a box of ammo that LeeJack started it!!
MGO you & LeeJack may be cut from the same cloth!!

I'm right there with you guys though!!
It is like going out and buying a compact car for the low purchase price & great fuel economy & complaining that after you install a towing package on it against manufactures warnings, it won't pull your 22' Skeeter!!

Bottom line: It's a fun gun that just keeps tickin and tickin!

Lee says it best!!

A lot of the younger generation hears about the competition guys & thier 2lb trigger pulls & want that on thier guns.
They just don't pay attention to the part about those guys starting with a 7, 8, 9, or $1000 guns!!

K.I.S.S.
Keep It Simple Stupid
Do this & the Sigma will rock forever!!
And if you let it, the Sigma will teach you how to shoot!!

 

[leejack]

I'd like to thank mgo for starting the thread that I have wanted to start for a long time! I guess that years of reading about the sigma has given this gun a special place in my heart.

Just for clarification; the designation 9VE, stands for 9 volt energizer!

 

[Jim H]

Over the years I have accumulated a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 Magnum, S&W 442 Airlite in .38spl, a 9mm S&W Model 59 and SW40F Sigma, and this herd offers me a wide selection of 'triggers' to say the least. Always, after a few rounds, I find that the trigger is the least of my concerns. Now, how to keep that darn front sight steady on the target...

Of this group, the SW40F fits my hand best. It felt good when I bought it in 1994, and it still feels good today, so it is a keeper. It had a few problems early on that S&W repaired.

When I went to qualify for my CPL, I chose to take it, and found that to it ran the whole course without any problems. Went bang when I wanted it to, and put holes in the paper where they needed to go. Nobody but me knew it was a Sigma, or cared much.

I find nothing wrong with this gun, and I have found a few things right with it over the years.

 

["JJ"]

Well said LeeJack! It keeps going & going & going & going & going.......and staying with the "rabbit" theme for all of those who insist on "tricking" out thier Sigma! "Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids!" Sorry, I couldn't resist!

 

[leejack]

JJ, when I get elected, I'm thinking about a cabinet position for mgo, for starting this thread. Whatcha think?

 

["JJ"]

All in favor...

AYE!!!!

 

[MitchellB]

All mine needed was a little polishing at the mating surfaces to smooth out the new. The DAO trigger pull is fine and what I wanted in a defense weapon. It is no worse and even better than many of my double action revolvers. I feel as a defensive weapon for either concealed carry or home defense, the trigger is as it should be for a pistol without a safety lever to engage. To buy it then try to change it into a hair triggered target pistol for the range seems to go against what it was designed to do. It is OK to dry fire the pistol and most retailers will allow you to try out the trigger before you purchase the gun, so if you don't like the feel of the trigger, move on to something you do like.

 

[leejack]

Well said, sir!

That's always been my point; the sigma is what it is and it does what it does, very well!

I think it is the ideal home defense gun. You don't want to pull something out of the night stand in the middle of the night with a 2lb trigger on it; at least I don't. Especially a gun without a safety lever on it.

As striker fired poly guns go, I believe the sigma is the safest (without safety lever) out there. And as I've said before; "in my hand" the ergos on the sigma blows everything else out of the water!

I asked my daughter if she wanted to start saving for a more expensive gun because she really is good enough to be competitive. She said "no, I'm happy with what I got; why don't we just get another sigma"!

Lee

 

[blastfact]

No endlessly over hauling it here mgo.

I've done the work needed on my Sigma to make it mine. Yeah, that took some polishing, the removal of the idiot pig tail spring. A wonderful spring from a Bic pencil. And a bit of stoning work on the sear to striker interface. And cleaned up the striker safety.

If yours and others have no grit,,, great!!!! Mine and the others that I tried when I bought mine were gritty. Like somebody had thrown sand in the darn thing. And I can share with you even after being worked over. The trigger in my 9VE is nothing like a double action revolver. It will never be that good. Compared to my new 686+ and the wifes new 60 Pro. There is no comparison. My Sigmas trigger over travel reminds me of Bugs Bunny missing his turn in Albuquerque. It just keeps going and going and going.

But none of this means Sigma is a BAD weapon. Far from it IMHO! Mine has the best barrel bore I've ever seen in a mass produced pistol. The slide was machined very well. And the frame was done well indeed. It is a natural pointer. And does feel better in my hand than my impressive M&P .45..... And I like the pistol enough, that I don't care to replace it with a M&P 9mm or a SD. And I can shoot the darn thing pretty good!

Current Sigma's are good pistols with really horrid triggers for the most part. Take you M&P sear assembly out and do so with your Sigma. Break them down and look at them. Look at the transfer bar. Which action do you think cost more to make. I can assure you it will be the rubber, rum dumb Sigma assembly. With it's turn of the 1700's cam style system. It's like looking at disc and drum brakes. Take drum brakes. They cost more to produce than disc brakes. But you still find drum brakes on the rear wheels of value orientated cars now days. Go figure! That would be the college boy that cuts the blood flow off to there brain with the foreskin retainer they wear around there necks.

And for God's sake never pay over $300 OTD for a Sigma and take the rebate. That whack trigger has destroyed resale on the poor pistols. The local pawn shops will not loan a dime against any Sigma. Nor will they buy the pistols out right from there owners. Also gun shops do not want them for trade at all around here.

It's a good pistol. With a rubber, rum dumb trigger with no resale value. And a great shooter in a shooters hands.

 

[leejack]

And a great shooter in a shooters hands.

That just about sums it up!

 

[novalty]

I have nothing against the Sigma, but the 9mm I have shot seem to have a very very long trigger pull, especially compared to my 5906. The gun functioned fine and shot pretty good, for me I couldn't get used to the long distance of the pull. Now I am not a great shooter and admit it freely, but the long trigger pull is what turned me off from the Sigma, not that it isn't a quality gun as the ergonomics were great--just not for me.

 

[Quanah]

Danged miserable things... trigger is so hard you just can't hit anything with 'em... why, I missed that little dot TWICE!!