I let an "expert" look at my 4006

[Kyle M.mi]

Sorry if this is off topic or not allowed. I'm just trying to vent and not second guess my purchase. I'm by no means an expert. But I've been around guns long enough to know what I'm buying and what to look for.

I know this can all be debunked through common sense, but the forum should know people like this are really out there giving firearms advice!

I just made the mistake of letting a so called expert look at my 4006, oh boy......

Took it to a friend's house to show it to him and his dad showed up to espouse wisdom.......

So apparently being a PD trade in its been shot tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of rounds. Nevermind that I know an officer in that department who said these were shot about 100 rounds a year for qualification. Also nevermind its a department employing a whopping 10 officers in a small town.The expert says he's a liar with an agenda to sell "shot out garbage." Well thanks but I didn't buy it from that officer?

He can prove its shot out because looking down the barrel the rifling is wore out, shallow, and rounded off, whatever buddy it looks just like the rifling in my brand new M&P. There's discoloration in the chamber and something about a lack of shadows when looking down the bore meaning worn rifling. Then I got "Those little nicks in the ejection port are from ejected casings and don't show up until around 100,000 rounds." I'm pretty sure I've seen those tiny nicks on every pistol I've had. Regardless the expert says the pistol needs an "overhaul" with a new barrel and all internals. The slide and frame might be salvageable he says.

I mean honestly other than some holster wear this thing is spotless. I imagine it's seen a max of maybe 500 rounds.

This is the same guy who told me guys who shoot IPSC matches shoot ammo that's custom crafted by world class armorers and costs $5 per round, they also run $5000 barrels in there $25,000 1911's. When I mentioned progressive reloaders he told me only a fool with a death wish would use reloaded ammo and that it was nowhere near accurate or reliable enough for competition.

The worst part is they let this guy teach CCW classes.

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[shouldazagged]

I'm remembering Professor Irwin Corey. Only crude and overbearing.

And he's a CCW instructor? There's a chilling thought.

I wonder if he's a shill for a gun dealer, or just a basic schmuck. My guess is the latter.

 

[427mach1]

Take it out and see how it shoots. Then run, run away, run away as fast as you can from that guy! From what I've read, and I'm NOT an expert, police guns typically aren't shot much. Don't worry about your purchase, go out and shoot and enjoy it.

 

[Kyle M.mi]

Take it out and see how it shoots. Then run, run away, run away as fast as you can from that guy! From what I've read, and I'm NOT an expert, police guns typically aren't shot much. Don't worry about your purchase, go out and shoot and enjoy it.

It shoots great in my opinion. I put about 100 rounds through it yesterday.

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[Kyle M.mi]

I'm remembering Professor Irwin Corey. Only crude and overbearing.

And he's a CCW instructor? There's a chilling thought.

I wonder if he's a shill for a gun dealer, or just a basic schmuck. My guess is the latter.

Generally he's just a schmuck. But I was really in no mood to argue so I just let him show me stuff and acted like I was listening to his so called advice.

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[pawncop]

It is always amazing how foolish many "experts" sound when they try to show much they know.

I normally just listen and go on about my business. I do not allow them any control over my choices.

I hope you find this helpful.

 

[walkin jack]

Those guys are every where it seems. The out door range I like to go to always has one or two hanging around on weekends which is why I like to go during the week.

The first time I took my Lew Horton N frame .44spl there to "get acquainted" with it This knuckle head came up and stood behind me while I was firing and watched me shoot. When I stopped to reload he came up to me and tapped me on the shoulder.

Told me what a nice lookin' revolver it was and started telling me all about it and about Lew Horton. I just kept on reloading and trying to ignore him. When I pulled up and started to fire again he tapped me on the shoulder again. I set it down on the bench and gave him a look that implied I'd like for him to go away.

He actually asked me if I wanted for him to fire it a few time and give advice and tips about how to best handle it. I was flabbergasted. I said sure you go on down to the other end of the range and when I want your advice I'll send for you. We locked eyes. I finally picked up and resumed my shooting. I fired my 6 and looked around and he was gone.

But my favorite was a guy that was always there on Fridays. He always had on an "AIRBORN" ball cap and matching windbreaker. He would hang in the back ground until a lady or group of ladies with no man in company and he'd watch them a while and then approach and offer to show them a few things. The really disgusting part is that they usually let him be their "teacher".

Some people...............

 

[Kyle M.mi]

Those guys are every where it seems. The out door range I like to go to always has one or two hanging around on weekends which is why I like to go during the week.

The first time I took my Lew Horton N frame .44spl there to "get acquainted" with it This knuckle head came up and stood behind me while I was firing and watched me shoot. When I stopped to reload he came up to me and tapped me on the shoulder.

Told me what a nice lookin' revolver it was and started telling me all about it and about Lew Horton. I just kept on reloading and trying to ignore him. When I pulled up and started to fire again he tapped me on the shoulder again. I set it down on the bench and gave him a look that implied I'd like for him to go away.

He actually asked me if I wanted for him to fire it a few time and give advice and tips about how to best handle it. I was flabbergasted. I said sure you go on down to the other end of the range and when I want your advice I'll send for you. We locked eyes. I finally picked up and resumed my shooting. I fired my 6 and looked around and he was gone.

But my favorite was a guy that was always there on Fridays. He always had on an "AIRBORN" ball cap and matching windbreaker. He would hang in the back ground until a lady or group of ladies with no man in company and he'd watch them a while and then approach and offer to show them a few things. The really disgusting part is that they usually let him be their "teacher".

Some people...............

Wow! That's pretty bad. Especially the second guy.

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[jimbo728]

Guys like that give us real know it alls a bad name.
Jim

 

[Kyle M.mi]

He also threw in how much he liked that the 4006 shared the same frame as a 1911.......

I wasn't even gonna touch that one.

His assessment of worn out barrels is what really got me. I've seen a few shot out barrels albeit not in pistols. To me this barrel looks like new.

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[ameridaddy]

They walk among us, and not just in shooting. One time in the early 80's, I was surf fishing on the Outer Banks, the surf muddied up so I went to Jennette's Pier. As I walked by a small group on the way to the end of the pier and clear water, some guy wearing a jump suit and baseball cap covered with various bass tournament circuit patches stepped out of the group and asked to "see my rig". I had an 11 ft Fenwick Big Surfstik, Penn reel and 20 lb yellow Stren. He looked it over, shook the rod a bit, and announce to all in hearing "You'll never catch anything with that yeller line and heavy rod - it'll spook the fish and you won't feel a nibble with that big thing." I went on my way and started throwing big metal plugs wayyyyy out past the end of the pier. It wasn't long before I had a few big bluefish - 12-16 lbs - and a crowd started to gather, then a rush came and people were 3-4 deep at the rail, flogging the water, getting tangled up and catching nothing, Mr. Bassmaster included. I stepped back and cast over their heads, hooking one big blue after another, then a 28 lb king mackerel. I landed 9 or 10 fish, then continued casting and when I got a hookup, handed the rod to spectators who were watching but had no fishing gear. They'd never felt anything like it. Some of them squealed, yelled and all grinned. For those of you who've never been blue fishing, when they're fat from a summer of feeding, every strike is like snagging a passing pickup truck - they tailwalk, straighten 4/0, even 6/0 hooks, break off sinkers, shred terminal tackle, and make the drag scream - and it's a blast.
As I walked off the pier, I made a point of telling Mr. Expert Bassmaster "You'd better get some 'yeller' line. They have it in the pier shop."

 

[Rastoff]

The worst part is they let this guy teach CCW classes.

Very sad. These are the kind of instructors spreading FUD. They're doing us all a great disservice.

The only thing that matters with a used gun is how it shoots. If it throws lead on target, it ain't "shot out". He was just jealous that he didn't come across the same deal you did.

A couple years ago I was practicing at the local range. Another shooter came up and asked me what I was shooting. Not wanting to make a big thing out of it, I said, "It's just a 1911." He persisted though and wanted to know the brand so I told him, "It's an Ed Brown." The look on his face told me he had never heard of them before. He shrugged and said, "Well, if you save up, maybe you can get a Kimber some day," and walked off.

I love these experts. Most of the time they just make me chuckle. Every now and then they can be quite irritating.

 

[DWalt]

"His assessment of worn out barrels is what really got me. I've seen a few shot out barrels albeit not in pistols. To me this barrel looks like new."

It takes an enormous amount of shooting (in a handgun) to wear out a barrel. In the USAF, I have examined and worked on range M9s which had well north of 100K rounds of 9mm (far beyond their minimum service life which as I remember was 25K rounds) fired through them. And the barrel bore and rifling was still good. At one time we pulled a sample of dozen or so of those old barrels and magnafluxed them to see if there were any cracks in the metal. We found none.

 

[Kyle M.mi]

Very sad. These are the kind of instructors spreading FUD. They're doing us all a great disservice.

The only thing that matters with a used gun is how it shoots. If it throws lead on target, it ain't "shot out". He was just jealous that he didn't come across the same deal you did.

A couple years ago I was practicing at the local range. Another shooter came up and asked me what I was shooting. Not wanting to make a big thing out of it, I said, "It's just a 1911." He persisted though and wanted to know the brand so I told him, "It's an Ed Brown." The look on his face told me he had never heard of them before. He shrugged and said, "Well, if you save up, maybe you can get a Kimber some day," and walked off.

I love these experts. Most of the time they just make me chuckle. Every now and then they can be quite irritating.

That's a good one. A year or so ago I had a Savage 1907 in .32 acp that I picked up at a good price just because it was a neat little gun.

One range trip I took my brother with me and there was this really annoying younger guy on the range. I'm a young guy (28) but he was probably younger than me.

He wanted to know what I was shooting and I told him. He immediately started telling me how all .32's were midnight special pieces of **** that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if you were in it. He also told me how all the .32's in existence weren't worth $50.

He stood around and watched my brother and I put 50 rounds through the little Savage regularly hitting soda cans at 15-20 yards. When we went to leave he just looked at me, shrugged, and said it's still an innacurate worthless piece of ****.

I'll tell ya what, I paid $300 for that, I sold it to a guy who really loves old pocket pistols for $325. And I'd gladly pay $300 again for one of those nifty little things.

The nerve of some people.

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[Kyle M.mi]

"His assessment of worn out barrels is what really got me. I've seen a few shot out barrels albeit not in pistols. To me this barrel looks like new."

It takes an enormous amount of shooting (in a handgun) to wear out a barrel. In the USAF, I have examined and worked on range M9s which had well north of 100K rounds of 9mm (far beyond their minimum service life which as I remember was 25K rounds) fired through them. And the barrel bore and rifling was still good. At one time we pulled a sample of dozen or so of those old barrels and magnafluxed them to see if there were any cracks in the metal. We found none.

Your experiences match the experiences of other tests I've read. I guess we'll never know how some "experts" come to draw the conclusions they draw.

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[crazyphil]

I know a little bit about a lot of things, but don't consider myself an
expert about anything. By the time we get to where we know it all,
we can't remember it.

"Experts" are usually just far enough away from home that there is
isn't anyone around who knows their real story. There seems to be
a lot of them at gun shows.

 

[kpap]

Some days I like to really mess with the minds of the experts, google has away of making the experts look mighty foolish......

 

[vigil617]

My favorite definition of expert is "an ess-oh-bee from out of town."

 

[Arik]

Lol I like that! It's fun hearing new gun facts. I'm tired of the same old stuff that's been repeated for decades! [emoji3]

Majority of my guns are former police guns. Just off the top of my head I'd say over 90%. Everything from HK, Glock, Sig, S&W, revolvers, ARs... My carry gun is an old police gun. For the most part I have no idea what departments they come from. Could be a small 10 men department or a large, several thousand men department. None of the guns ever needed any work or any parts. No barrels were shot out or springs worn, not even mag springs.

In fact I just bought a 5906 police trade, made in 1991(almost 30 year old police gun). I picked it up and went straight to the range. 200 rounds without issues. On the same trip I brought my new to me Israeli surplus HiPower. Gun is late 80s and if anyone is known for running their gear hard it's Israel. 200 rounds through that gun as well without issues.

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[old bear]

Another Gas Bag sounds off

Kyle, some folks just can't stand another person having something nice, that they will never be able to afford. Folks like this operate on the theory, if I can't enjoy having fill in the blank, I'll do my best to see that no one else will enjoy their new whatever.

I call folks who act like that Gas Bags.