I need loading data..........

[Nevada Ed]

Well with all the "Bee's" in my ears it is finally over............

No more amount of powder to be given out............
but I will give the fps of my loads and other info.

Looks like the book sales will be going up for the new reloaders
and those that do not have information.
Sorry.......
but it is for your own safety.

 

[OKFC05]

Gee, don't you feel comfortable answering "How much 700-X do I need in my .44 mag to get 1800 fps with a 300gr Barnes bear bullet. Some guy said it was great but I forget how much he said......."

(I don't either!! )

 

[scott1970]

What is reloading without lots of guesswork and advice off the internet??? Published load data is for sissies!

 

[mikld]

Good! FWIW, and I tell new reloaders; pay very little (no) attention to any load data you see from any forum "expert", gun counter clerk, range rat, "pet loads" site, or gun shop guru. Stick with a published manual and when you get the hang of reloading you won't need to ask for loads...

 

[Rule3]

Well with all the "Bee's" in my ears it is finally over............

No more amount of powder to be given out............
but I will give the fps of my loads and other info.

Looks like the book sales will be going up for the new reloaders
and those that do not have information.
Sorry.......
but it is for your own safety.

Well, well I will just BEE!

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I've spent time and money to get this data. Some of it is safe. Some was never meant to be safe. I had "factory" load data from Barnes for 44 mag that would at least damage a model 29. Maybe I should just post it and watch the safety police scream. Ivan

 

[Jboutfishn]

Hmmmmmm. I bought 2 Speer Manuals, a Sierra, a Barnes, and a Any Shot You Want manual. In addition I go on line to see what the likes of Hodgdon has published using their powder. While I have stated "what my firearms like", keep in mind every firearm is different. What is safe in my firearm may not be safe in yours.

Every reloader needs to have and read a current published manual.

 

[RussellD]

I thought maybe something was wrong with me. I have 3 editions of Hornady reloading manuals, 3 editions of Speer..including the one with the famous .38 special load, 3 editions of Nosler and 2 editions of Barnes on the bench, and a Lyman.

At least I can cross reference most of what I read on the net.

 

[ladyT]

If you folks are not going to answer questions then what is the reason for keeping the reloading forum open. All you need is a single page that pops up and says use the search function for all reloading issues.

 

[moxie]

I hear you, but I'm not dogmatic on this.

I don't mind sharing specific load data when I know the person is an experienced reloader.

If I sense the person is new I try to steer them to published data.

 

[Rule3]

If you folks are not going to answer questions then what is the reason for keeping the reloading forum open. All you need is a single page that pops up and says use the search function for all reloading issues.

I do not believe his post says he will not answer question, I can not speak for him of course.

I believe it to be a matter of just what he said, Load data. That is what manuals and the online powder websites are for.

I will not usually give out load data either. I have 5 or 6 manuals and all the online sources.

Not saying you or anyone in particular but find the thread on do the work or some of the work. Some just want the easy way. Had that at work all the time, look it up.

There are many questions that can be asked and answered that are not specific load data, One should not really use data from an online forum anyway, you need to confirm it yourself. I sure know I can not type well and a typo could mean a big problem.

 

[arjay]

I wouldn't give out my extra hot,barn burning loads,but I don't see any problem with divulging any book loads that I use.

 

[JBnTx]

If you folks are not going to answer questions then what is the reason for keeping the reloading forum open. All you need is a single page that pops up and says use the search function for all reloading issues.

I agree with you! Most reloaders are smart enough to cross check and double check loads from reloading forums.

Asking for load "recipes" on gun forums is a good way to get ideas for different powders and reloading procedures.

If certain people refuse to participate in that exchange, then maybe we're all better off if they stay out of the conversation.

Instead of telling someone to buy a loading manual, why don't they just keep quiet, since they obviously have nothing to contribute? They seem to inflate their own importance by inferring that they may somehow be responsible for another reloaders safety, when they are not. Each reloader is responsible for his own safety, and most reloaders accept that responsibility.

 

[Rule3]

Each individual is free to post any data they want. Just read the forum disclaimer. 99.99% of any load data can be found in a manual or the powder companies web site. Tested verified data.

There are many parts of reloading that are not just load data. Most new reloaders should take the time to actually read and understand the first few chapters of manuals. It's not just a recipe book.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/80812-read-disclaimer.html

 

[Engineer1911]

I shot 8# of Win 452 shotgun powder in 38 spl for 4 years before Winchester published data that I was using. All of my peers told me I was going to blow my M52 apart and destroy 2 different 357 mag revolvers. The cases ejected about 18" from my M52 before hitting the floor.

It was a very mild load. Marathon will be by shortly to remind uus about safety. Normally scheduled casting and reloading activities will now resume.

 

[venomballistics]

Gee, don't you feel comfortable answering "How much 700-X do I need in my .44 mag to get 1800 fps with a 300gr Barnes bear bullet. Some guy said it was great but I forget how much he said......."

(I don't either!! )

More than it can handle and less than necessary if they come back to gripe

 

[smokindog]

I use about so much of the powder on the right with a bullet about the size of a large stink bug and make em about this long. It goes faster than when I used an extra pinch of the powder on the left.

 

[Jboutfishn]

Let me explain my previous post. No problem with sharing book loads from reputable manuals. Where we get into trouble is sharing pet loads. An example is my 300 Win Mag. Since my freebore is so long I load to an OAL way over book OAL and am still twenty thousands off the lands. This allows more powder in the case without undue pressure and gives about an extra 150 fps. I was not after a hot load but was looking for an accurate load with 180 gr A Frames. I will surmise that my loaded cartridges will not fit in a standard M70 magazine as I had to use a 375 mag to accommodate the increased OAL.

I also believe loading my cartridge in a factory M70 would cause some issues.

 

[rwsmith]

Uhhhhhhh?

Good! FWIW, and I tell new reloaders; pay very little (no) attention to any load data you see from any forum "expert", gun counter clerk, range rat, "pet loads" site, or gun shop guru. Stick with a published manual and when you get the hang of reloading you won't need to ask for loads...

I've been loading a LONG time and I still have plenty of questions. Then of course I'm always trying to do something different. For instance, my latest dive has been into using light lead plinking bullets in a 30-06 with much reduced loads. That stuff is hard to find in a book.

 

[Nevada Ed]

RWsmith;

30-06 target loads..............

I used Unique in the old days now I use SR 4759.
Never tried Trail Boss, since it does too well in my 38 !!

Have you tried the Hornady 100gr #3005, plinker or the Speer 100gr #1805...........both at oal 2.93"

Not too shabby..............

 

[Doubless]

I have no problem recommending a load, because 99.999% of my "pet loads" fall within the guidelines of a handloading manual. In fact, I only know of one load I use period that is not found in a handloading manual, unless I am talking about a wildcat. That is in my .270, and like has been mentioned before, I have a very long throated rifle, and that allows me a grain or two more powder than the book says is max.

 

[Rule3]

I've been loading a LONG time and I still have plenty of questions. Then of course I'm always trying to do something different. For instance, my latest dive has been into using light lead plinking bullets in a 30-06 with much reduced loads. That stuff is hard to find in a book.

I use data from Lever Guns (Laser Cast bullets) for light plinking loads with handgun powder in a 30-30. The have some for 30-06 also

Lever Gun Performance Studies

 

[alwslate]

I see nothing wrong with listing loads that are published in manuals
along with chronograph data. The poster requesting data may own
some manuals but not one I have. It seems many that are fairly new
to handloading have very unrealistic expectations regarding the
velocities they will get in their gun because of the test barrels used in
load development by some publishers. It would be great if all load
data in manuals was derived from chronographing said loads in typical
guns. This will never happen. But I have been handloading for many
years and like some others on here I have worked up a few loads that
I use that will not be found in any manual. Loaders need to stay
within their own comfort zone and this can vary considerably between
individuals. I am a careful handloader who pays attention to detail
and if I didn't think my loads were safe I wouldn't use them. Reading
a bit on other forums reveals that many feel confident in developing
a few loads beyond published data. Since no one can really control
others' reloading methods it probably is best to keep personal loads
personal.

 

[Cdog]

Two fools meet when sharing handloads or load data.

Advice on powders? Yes. Powder charge? No!

It ain't none of my business what any of you do, just don't expect me to participate...

 

[old&slow]

I usually will not post powder charges. And Never trust powder charges I see posted unless I check it against a couple / several reloading manuals.
Typo's ,, fat fingers, poor memory, etc. I don't trust mine or your's. I even cross reference several reloading manuals before I start a new load.

I recently saw a post where a gentleman posted his 38 special load. I suggested he check it because it seemed kind of warm and was the load I was using in my .357 load. His reply was, ' Heck, I've been using that load for years with no problem.' Ok, fine with me , have a nice day..
And a lot of the time, there is different information from one reloading manual to another, one edition to another.

There has been a few times when I've found a box of ammo with load information on it and wondered where the heck I got that load ? Just to find out it was from a two editions ago reloading manual and they had dropped the charge a full grain, or more.

 

[Forrest r]

I usually try to post a link to a reloading manual that the mfg of the powder/load in question has published. (have at least 4 times in the past 2 months)

I will post links to older reloading manuals simply because the new one won't have the info te poster is requesting. Alliant is an excellent example of that. If you look @ their 2003 manual & their 2014 manual they both have the same loads/data. The difference is the 2003 has allot more data for handguns posted/printed than the 2014's skimpy data. What's in the 2014 manual is still the same loads as the what's in the 2003 manual, just allot less of them.

I will also continue to post tried & true loads that have been tested/tried/used for decades like 2.7gr load of bullseye for a 148gr wc in the 38spl or 3.5gr of bullseye for a 158gr lead swc in a 38spl. Or 3.6gr to 4.0gr of bullseye with a 195/200gr lead swc in the 45acp for a target load. Or 5.0gr of bullseye with a 230gr bullet (lead or jacketed) in the 45acp for a hardball duplicate load. Or the all too famous loads of unique for the 44spl or mag.

As with any data it's up to the user to verify that data from different sources. In this day & age of shortages and hard to come by $$$$ reloading components, it's not a bad thing to ask about a load or the performance of a bullet. It will save the poster 100's of test loads/components finding out what 1,000,000's of reloads have known for years/decades. Or when a new powder, bullet or bullet mold comes out I always liked reading the range reports about them.

Research, studying & asking questions is how we learn.

 

[mikld]

If you folks are not going to answer questions then what is the reason for keeping the reloading forum open. All you need is a single page that pops up and says use the search function for all reloading issues.

Hardly. There's a whole bunch of stuff about reloading other than powder charges that can be shared! And a new reloader, who ask most of the "I need a load for my ___" questions, may not realize a load is not fitting (either too heavy or too light) for his particular needs. Just go through the current posts...

 

[tlshores]

If you folks are not going to answer questions then what is the reason for keeping the reloading forum open. All you need is a single page that pops up and says use the search function for all reloading issues.

I will answer any post and share my load data with anyone that wants it. My data is safe in my guns and derived from published loading manuals.
That said, even the loading manuals seldom agree on what constitutes a max load. Pressure will vary for a multitude of reasons such as internal brass dimensions, seating depth, gun chamber tolerance, throating, ambient temperature,... the list goes on and on. Even different lots of the same powder can vary to some degree.
That is why you should always back off the max load and work up with a ladder charge.
In 40 years I've never had an overloaded cartridge with a round I put together. That is because I follow the doctrine that no load is safe until it's proven so in MY gun. Always err on the side of caution.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I will answer any post and share my load data with anyone that wants it. My data is safe in my guns and derived from published loading manuals.
That said, even the loading manuals seldom agree on what constitutes a max load. Pressure will vary for a multitude of reasons such as internal brass dimensions, seating depth, gun chamber tolerance, throating, ambient temperature,... the list goes on and on. Even different lots of the same powder can vary to some degree.
That is why you should always back off the max load and work up with a ladder charge.
In 40 years I've never had an overloaded cartridge with a round I put together. That is because I follow the doctrine that no load is safe until it's proven so in MY gun. Always err on the side of caution.

While I agree with you I think we are (or were) talking about brand new reloaders who have 1 post to their credit who come here and ask how much powder do I put in a .357 Magnum case with a big bullet. When I see those new reloaders I will provide the links for the powder company's load data sites because those new reloaders can take what you say and turn it around somehow and do something dangerous.

It's also easy to reverse numbers when you post and the new reloader doesn't have enough experience to realize something isn't right with the formula and load it anyway.

 

[tlshores]

While I agree with you I think we are (or were) talking about brand new reloaders who have 1 post to their credit who come here and ask how much powder do I put in a .357 Magnum case with a big bullet. When I see those new reloaders I will provide the links for the powder company's load data sites because those new reloaders can take what you say and turn it around somehow and do something dangerous.

It's also easy to reverse numbers when you post and the new reloader doesn't have enough experience to realize something isn't right with the formula and load it anyway.

You make a good point AA. If someone is obviously clueless, its probably better to refer them to commercially published data.
I am a competitor and the sites where I usually hang out are populated with pretty experienced shooters. We often swap data with the understanding that it is up to the user to validate the load.